(July 22, 2022 at 3:58 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(July 22, 2022 at 12:21 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I can see why you consider that a good counter, but a fully omniscient being can't even change its mind about which finger to wiggle, that is, it can't even change its mind just to see if it can change its mind. It can't, not even for the most trivial of actions for which information makes no difference. It may not need to change its decisions, but it also can't change its decisions.
In order for you to prove that this is indeed a contradiction, you have to prove that the action "changing one's mind" is logically possible in the case of an omnipotent+omniscient being. And in fact, it's not.
If such a being decides to do A, then A becomes necessary, there is no possible world where A doesn't happen at some point. With this in mind, a deity not being able to avoid A after their decision is made, is not a problem, since it's not logically possible for A to not happen.
And it's not a threat to omnipotence to not be capable of doing the logically impossible.
It IS logically impossible, which is why I don't believe such a being can exist. I approve you reducing your god's omnipotence to resolve the contradiction. Your version of omnipotence is one I cited: Able to do anything but the logically impossible. You may think that would be obvious, but there's a whole branch of apologetics called presuppositionalism based on God determining what is logically possible...that is, a presuppositionalist would just claim it's not a contradiction because God isn't subject to logic. You have a more plausible God than that. Muslims, in my experience, are more likely to be aware of scholarly thought about their religion than most US Christians; but I grew up in the midst of American fundamentalists who can believe as many as six impossible things before breakfast.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.