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Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 2:05 am
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My interactions with the religious after leaving religion has brought me to the conclusion that many Christians love to gossip the possibility of my eternal damnation and suffering. Like, nothing has changed since I left religion and became atheist except well...I am no longer mormon and no longer believe in god, other wise, it's just the same old Q1C that existed before the atheism. I woke up a couple weeks ago surprised thinking "wow, I have not broken any laws and neither do I indulge in reckless behavior but I have been atheist for 10 months! I thought I would have surely become immoral by now...since, you know, that's what everyone was telling me."
So tell me, am I going to hell just simply because of a changed philosophical schema?
and if so, provide empirical proof to your hell and the "god" that will send me there if I don't repent RIGHT NOW.
This is a serious request, I have not yet received the proof necessary, even after asking countless people.
I haven't figured a way to edit the poll, it should read "will******* my atheistic shema send me to hell?"
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 2:10 am
Anything's possible but probably not!
You can kill 1000 people and still not go to hell.
Go for it!
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 2:14 am
(August 13, 2014 at 2:10 am)ignoramus Wrote: Anything's possible but probably not!
You can kill 1000 people and still not go to hell.
Go for it!
You're right. All I need to do is assert that "god told me to" and all morals go straight out the window in the name of religious zealotry!
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 2:41 am
Quote: that many Christians love to gossip the possibility of my eternal damnation and suffering.
I'm sure most of them jerk off to such thoughts. Nothing they like more than imagining their invisible sky-daddy tormenting their earthly enemies for all eternity.
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 5:50 am
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(August 13, 2014 at 2:05 am)Quantum1Connect Wrote: So tell me, am I going to hell just simply because of a changed philosophical schema? This infers that you could dummy-map your value-systems to acceptable values in the religious q-set with a suitable philosophic scheme file. That seems an appropriate way to bypass restrictions in the religious rule-set.
Also, no. There's no such place.
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 5:59 am
I don't think many religious people really take it seriously. I can't recall knowing anyone who expressed real pain over the thought that a loved one may be suffering constant, unending torment for not finding god's favor. Even among fundamentalists (although some of them strike me as the type of people who would emotionally shut away anyone who didn't meet their own zealous standards). Be it a lake of fire and constant agony, or the concept of "separation from god" and whatever agony that instills, few people seem concerned about it. I think it's too incomprehensible for people to take seriously.
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 6:14 am
Didn't one of the early church fathers say that one of the best things about going to heaven was that you would be able to look down and watch all the sinners burning in hell?
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 6:16 am
No evidence of there ever being a thing called hell. So no, most likely not.
Begs the question as to why anyone/thing would bestow eternal damnation on a being for its beliefs over and above its actions. But that's the silliness of religion for you!
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 6:26 am
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If you have three minutes to spare, Quantum, then I think this short video from Tom Wright is worth watching, if only to show the different ways Christians can think about hell.
As for me, I look around me. Can people go to hell, or be in hell, here in this life? I'd say yes. Can people's own choices sometimes lead them, or others, there? Again, I'd say yes. Anybody with any experience of addiction probably knows a little about a hell they initially chose. Anybody consumed by hate (with or without associated violence) probably knows about hell. I see hell as destructive attitudes and behaviours that can reach a point where the person rejects those trying to save them, or others, from those destructive behaviours. They say 'no, I don't want healing on your terms'.
If you like fiction then C.S.Lewis's The Great Divorce is a very enjoyable imaginative read on what heaven and hell might mean or be like. I don't think you need to be a theist, let alone a Christian, to enjoy it.
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RE: Be honest, am I going to hell for "my" atheism?
August 13, 2014 at 7:46 am
(August 13, 2014 at 2:05 am)Quantum1Connect Wrote: My interactions with the religious after leaving religion has brought me to the conclusion that many Christians love to gossip the possibility of my eternal damnation and suffering. Like, nothing has changed since I left religion and became atheist except well...I am no longer mormon and no longer believe in god, other wise, it's just the same old Q1C that existed before the atheism. I woke up a couple weeks ago surprised thinking "wow, I have not broken any laws and neither do I indulge in reckless behavior but I have been atheist for 10 months! I thought I would have surely become immoral by now...since, you know, that's what everyone was telling me."
So tell me, am I going to hell just simply because of a changed philosophical schema?
and if so, provide empirical proof to your hell and the "god" that will send me there if I don't repent RIGHT NOW.
This is a serious request, I have not yet received the proof necessary, even after asking countless people.
I haven't figured a way to edit the poll, it should read "will******* my atheistic shema send me to hell?" Human beings cannot honestly answer that question, regardless of whether they think that they can. God makes those decisions.
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