Credible/Honest Apologetics?

[Simon Moon]

In other words, it's prima facie incoherent.  And that's how it stays unless you go with the copout that "It's a mystery."  Yeah.  Tell me again about how Christianity restores intelligibility to the universe.

My point was that such paradoxes are not worth debating because there are prior assumptions. K is making a theological case based on a certain interpretation of time. Change that and the theology changes. It seems that many "answers" are really just stories that fit predetermined understanding about how the word works. Like the question ealier about "When did God create time?" Paradoxes IMHO generally mean you're asking the wrong question. The paradox arises because the presumed relationiship between Creator and creation is that of a Hegelian dialectic that is more semantic in nature than causal.

You can claim there is a paradox, which gets you out of admitting the incoherence of your position.

Since existence is necessarily spatial and temporal (how can something exist with no time or space?), then you have to drastically redefine the term 'existence', in order to claim your god existed outside of space or time, and/or created space and time.

Either that, or there had to be some sort of space and time equivalent, a meta-space/time, in which god existed within, from which he created our universe (and space and time). But that begs the question; if god existed in this meta-space/time, where did that meta-space/time come from?

But please start with explaining how something can exist, sans space and time?