RE: Proving What We Already "Know"
July 26, 2022 at 9:01 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2022 at 9:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 26, 2022 at 8:42 pm)bennyboy Wrote: If you're interested in "realism," then explain how that particular paradigm applies to the OP, or to our discussions of morality. In what way can you arrive at a sensible moral world view that is based purely on what is real, rather than (as I suggest) imagining a non-existent other-world, which is inherently non-factual?In a realist understanding, we can prove a moral fact the same way we would go about proving any other kind of fact. You arrive at a sensible moral worldview the same way you arrive at a sensible view of anything else. The latter, I think, is a lower bar.
Quote:Keep in mind that in this discussion, we are currently not considering real burning witches. We are imagining once-burned witches of another era. We recognize an imagined world in which scenes of burning-at-the-stake is abhorrent.Oh we probably are, aren't we? They burnt witches then, we find creative ways to kill even more now for equally absurd and counter-factual reasons.
Quote:In short-- I don't think the kind of moral views you are discussing are coherent. I think that you THINK they are, but in fact it's an example of the kinds of categorical conflation I mentioned earlier. If you are actually willing to lay claim to any moral position, and explain why you take that position, I'm pretty sure I can demonstrate that it matches my definition morality-- and that this could not be otherwise.Misusing a word again. Realism is coherent - you simply disagree with it for reasons unrelated to realism as you tell them.
So go ahead-- take a clear position on anything, and explain why you hold that position in unambiguous terms. Prove me wrong!
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