RE: Proving What We Already "Know"
July 29, 2022 at 10:38 pm
(This post was last modified: July 29, 2022 at 10:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 29, 2022 at 9:09 pm)bennyboy Wrote:Yes. It's obvious. Lazy, and sloppy.(July 29, 2022 at 6:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: How you're resorting to calling the most mundane and trivial use of terms magic - in the hopes that negative associations might do what you failed to accomplish logically.I think it's pretty obvious why I'm saying that. It's not turtles all the way down-- at some point, any moral proposition worth anything is dependent on subjective valuation. Calling it "magic" is derisively ironic, in case you missed that-- because it is clearly NOT an amazing coincidence that no matter how many objective moral facts you think you can dig up, at the root it's always going to be rooted in someone caring about state A vs. state B.
Quote:Yes, they acknowledge it as bad because they've been taught that. I didn't say YOU have to have feelings about things in order to form a moral view, just that someone does. A total pyschopath can know that killing babies is considered bad. But at some point, someone had to have negative feelings about killing babies, and then verbalize "Hey-- killing babies is bad." But ultimately, if nobody gave a shit about babies, we'd be following them around with rifles killing them "just for fun."If I don't have to have feelings about things to form a moral view then they can't be necessarily subjective. Weird how one little comment can lead to so much, eh?
I'm as baffled by your behavior as you claim to be by mine. Is there some objection to thinking that mores arrive out of people's instinctual dislike of certain behaviors or outcomes? Why, or how, would it be otherwise?
No one has to have negative feelings about anything for things to be bad, in fact. I know that you have some other view. I know that you're wedded to that view. That shouldn't mean...particularly in a subjectivist world....that you have some diehard necessity to reject another's equally subjectively true veiwpoint.
Nope. You're a realist, making incessant realist statements, without the courage of your asserted convictions. Apparently, additionally....one that never took the time or had the care to learn the foundations of their own factual appraisals - hence the OPQ. How can we should be scratched to how can I.
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