(November 28, 2011 at 1:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Attributing something to god doesn't make it objective, nor does attributing something to the bible make it objective. Your next bit here has alot to say about this actually. Your interpretations of these passages (and the entirety of the bible) are equally selective, and subjective. If one religious shitwit says his book says he can beat his wife and another says the same book tells him he can't, neither of you anything to offer as to why I should take either of you seriously. Employers aren't masters, employees aren't servants. Long story short, you probably shouldn't be using fairy tales as an ultimate authority with regards to how you live your life. Are you actually incapable of figuring this shit out on your own? Did you need a book to tell you not to stick a knife in the guy next to you...seriously?The argument was about one person accepting this and the other that which makes it subjective (“taking place within the mind and modified by individual bias; "a subjective judgment").
Quote:Simple, we do it all the time, it's called citizenship and law. Nice going by the way, working in a talking point about abortion.No problem. You just have not provided a base against which to judge (other than own preference). If you do have such a basis, I would dearly like to hear what it is and why?
Quote:Oh, so we should do it your way? God proclaims nothing. Your god doesn't exist. You're the one doing the proclaiming.Your argument to substantiate your claim that God does not exist? I believe the Bible to be the Word of God and thus I accept what He says as truth. You accept other matters as truth, such as there is no God
Quote:See anything else on this rock contemplating good and evil? We're not just the "eventual judge" we're the only judge, because we're the only thing here that this concept has any meaning for whatsoever (as far as we can tell). That we aren't very good at it is obvious, but why would we be? We're still human beings, evil or no, which is to say, still animals. So we fall short of not being complete savages...unsurprisingSo good is good because you say so? Evil is evil because you say so? That is the standard? I am sure that you will find many people disagreeing with you on what is good and what is evil. It is generally accepted that Hitler was not what we will call “good”, with war crimes that cry out. Yet there were (and maybe still is) people that regard him as a hero (Palestinian Radio as an example). Thus you see the problem with subjectivity?
Yes, you are right, we often make mistakes and we all accept that “to err is human”. No doubt about that.
Quote:To bad that's not all the bible teaches eh? You'd almost have an argument if it weren't for all the garbage you've conveniently left out. Oh, by the way, god commands nothing. It's a fairy tale making commands. I'm wondering why you would comply with the demands of a fairy tale. Maybe you should let down your hair (rapunzel) or give me your firstborn in return for gold (rumplestiltskin). Sounds ridiculous? Sure as hell doesIt will be great if you could highlight some of the “garbage” so we may critically examine it. Of course the cross sounds stupid to others. It was never claimed to be a real attraction to the world.
1Co 1:18 For the Word of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.
1Co 1:22 And since Jews ask for a sign, and Greeks seek wisdom,
1Co 1:23 we, on the other hand, preach Christ crucified (truly an offense to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks),
Quote:Fairy tales, and sanctimonious shit. I don't accept a human sacrifice, or a scapegoat to be tortured for the things I do, good or bad. So you can take this "sacrifice" and shove it up your ass. It's the sickest thing that I can possibly imagine. Tell you what, go ahead and send me to hell and send jesus back to earth, he got shafted and it's not going to be on account of me, thanks.At the risk of proving your point of sounding “sanctimonious”, I do not for one small moment wish to send you to hell. That is the honest to goodness truth. I am no “goody-goody” person with a continuous smile of pure bliss on his face but a person that gets angry at guys obstructing the traffic at intersections (may favorite gripe) and can sulk for days (ask my wife). But I would rather wish that God will look upon you with grace and mercy and make him known to you through the work of the Holy Spirit.
Whether you accept Jesus’ sacrifice is up you.