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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
(December 2, 2011 at 8:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Irrelevant, this does not answer the question how you know the standard for a meter stick is indeed a meter long?

Yes, it does. I said the "meter" is an invented term that we've all agreed on to communicate and measure distance. We could just as easily use a different measurement.

This is apples and oranges with your claim that an imaginary character is a measure of what is good without any explanation as to how that works.

Quote:I assure you that a yard-stick is not a meter long.

But physical distance is the same whether it is measure in yards or meters. Distance doesn't get shorter when you switch units of measure.

Quote:[Yahweh] is good because He is the standard by which all other goodness is measured just like the meter-stick standard is a meter because it is the standard by which all other meter-sticks are measured by.


Says who? What is this assertion based on? How can we use Yahweh to measure goodness in some practical and consistent way? By this, I mean you will make the same measurement that I would. Someone else should be able to repeat the experiment and come to the exact same conclusion.

Given that there are thousands of different Christian denominations, I highly doubt it.

Quote:I figured you’d try to pull something like this since you know you are in an environment that is very friendly to you; however, the other readers’ opinions on the discussion have no bearing on who made the best logical arguments in the discussion.

Others who don't post here can also judge for themselves. It may surprise you but nobody has appointed you the final arbiter of who won every debate.

Quote:Yeah, if that is what you call reasoning then you probably should have given up because it is certainly not valid logical reasoning.

I think I already said, "you just go on believing that".
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 18, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by DeistPaladin - December 2, 2011 at 9:00 pm

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