(November 20, 2011 at 12:54 pm)chadster1976 Wrote: Sorry. Explain why quantum mechanics and relativity (special or general?) are incompatible with the notion of a God?
The common concept of God requires a single, objective universe in which everything exists: God knows everything and controls everything simultaneously.
Relativity shows that the world is not objective. It does not show that the world appears relative, it shows that the world is relative. So values are dependent on the observer and the observer's system. Outside the observer's system interacting system, nothing exists for the observer. If God knows everything, then this is incorrect. The world has an objective system: God. In order for God to exist in the non-objective universe, that would make God physically subjective to observers, and contrary to the common definition. If it exists outside of it, it doesn't matter: it has no effect on us.
Claiming God knows what every observer will experience is contrary to QM. Values do not exist until interaction. These values collapse into (available) discrete states in a random manner. If God knew what they were either (a) they wouldn't collapse (which they do) or (b) everything collapses according to God's 1) observation (meaning he watches, but doesn't effect, making him pointless) or 2) plan (which, given that they collapse randomly, God's plan is random, again making him pointless).
Different QM interpretations have different flaws in the inclusion of God, and I don't want to go over all of them. Look them up, raise a possibility of why one of them is compatible, and we can discuss it.
We could also posit that God exists by additional laws of physics, but that wasn't the question.
IMHO.
Sorry, forgot about the thread.
