(November 2, 2022 at 1:22 pm)Eclectic Wrote: In fact, the people of Iran want a constitution that does not uses Islam at all and is written completely based on the Universal Charter of Human Rights in a way that is both federal and freer than the constitutions of France and Sweden.
In Islam, removing the hijab, music, women's singing, dancing, painting, and sculpture are strongly forbidden (eshae fahsha=contagion of ugliness) non-Islamic sexual relations are strongly prohibited and are among the biggest sins. and love and freiendship between girls and boys is sin. For example sex-between a girl and boy has 100
Iran needs modernism, liberalism and human rights to rise again.
Islam is full of insults to women and girls. Islam is against women. And in Iran, there are many reports of scurrility of girls and women, violence against women, beating of women, kidnapping and rape of women.
Islam made men and boys of iran anti-woman.
If a married woman has intercourse with someone else, the sentence is stoning after 100 lashes.
If a girl has sex with a boy, the sentence is 100 lashes for each of them, and if it happens again, she may be stoned (I don't know).
If the police sees a boy and a girl talking in the park, they can jail them for several months.
If a married woman has intercourse with someone else, the sentence is stoning after 100 lashes.
If a girl has sex with a boy, the sentence is 100 lashes for each of them, and if it happens again, she may be stoned (I don't know).
If the police sees a boy and a girl talking in the park, they can jail them for several months. If a girl sings, she will be imprisoned for 40 months.
Women (and not men) who commit these sins are called fahesheh, which means (one who did and continues to do the ugliest thing in the world).
But look, the real giant dirty sinner and greatest faheshe are Allah, Prophet Muhammad, his daughter, Shia imams and sonni caliphs. Because they legalized slavery and bought and sold slaves and declared Jihad with Christians and torture and murder as savab, savab meaning the greatest good deeds, and these sins were declared beautiful and bright, but sexy women were declared faheshe, the most ugly creatures on earth.
In Turkey, Atatürk not permited to mullahs to reform islam over time, therefore he to modernize the country by improve cultur and with a secular constitution, and even the victory of the Islamists has not destroied Turkey's modernism and liberalism.
Yes. I agree with everything you say. And as I said, it is the women of Iran and young people who have known nothing but the oppressive regime of the mullah’s who want change before anyone else. And We will totally support the Iranian People in their struggle for freedom.
Here is a short quotation from Joe Biden (From today’s news on Reuters):
“OCEANSIDE, Calif. (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday vowed to "free" Iran, and said that demonstrators working against the country's government would soon succeed in freeing themselves.”
Atatürk (which is the surname of Mustafa Kemal that was given to him by the first Turkish assembly on November 24 1934) means “The father of Turks”. Here is a short biography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Ke...at%C3%BCrk
We call him “Father of Turks” because
1) We were basically going to be colonized by western forces and perhaps even completely disappear from history if it wasn’t for him and his friends (Fevzi Çakmak, Kazım Karabekir, Cafer Tayyar, Fahreddin Altay, Selahaddin Adil, İzzettin Çalışlar, Şükrü Naili Gökberk and of course İsmet İnönü)
2) Mustafa Kemal Atatürk has said: “Turkey is not a land of sheikhs, dervishes and sectarian movements”. He undertook many, many reforms (like giving women the right to vote and to be elected in December 4 1934 – That’s before most European nations -)
So As I gave you the Wikipedia link on this truly great historical personality. I am nothing going elaborate the subject with history lessons. But I can tell you in short that a man like me probably wouldn’t see his forties if Turkey had a regime like most regimes in the Middle East (or that’s how I see it).
But it is not only Atatürk, is İslam itself (the holy book itself) that is saying that there cannot be an intermediary between man and God and it is seen as one of the great sins of Islam to become a devotee or a servant of another human being because all human beings are devotees / servants of God and God only (This is one of the most obvious messages of Islam). So I don’t bow to a person or a group of person who proclaimed themselves to be “Ayatollahs” (Or whatever that means). In one of the basic prayers of İslam we pronounce the phrase “We shall only bow to you (to God) and we shall only expect help from you”. So this is not Atatürk. This is the Koran itself. And that’s a grave mistake that was committed by you shah actually. He wanted to strengthen his power by keeping the clergy by him. I am from a Sunni tradition. I also believe that there cannot be a clergy in İslam. In my view, even the Imam (the preacher in Muslim religion) is only a person with no worldly authority whose duty is only to “lead” prayers that are made in group.
So I am not going to elaborate a lot on this either. But there is a book that you should be able to read if you have access to a university library. The man is called Yasar Nuri Ozturk. And one of his books is called “The reconstruction of religious life in Islam”. So here is a web link: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3328...e-in-islam
In my surrounding, those who are older have the ability to discern very well what political islamist are trying to do the us actually (to Muslims). Our elderly people have a tendency to warn us about these “earthly devils”. But younger generations can have greater difficulty on that. And that’s why I added this link. Read the books of this scholar if you can find them (I think some of his books should be available in Persian too). His approach is very scientific and he makes very good discriminations between what is invented and what is truly in the holy book.
Or do as you like. But please know that there are many Muslims (like me) who are not and should never be seen as people who have feelings of sympathy for what I define as completely decadent, manipulative, perverted and false interpretations of Islam. As I said before. We don’t do these things. I have been grounded as a child for washing a puppy with cold water and I was told that “God would punish me for making that animal suffer like this” so how are these people allowed to sit on my table? – Put them somewhere else. They don’t belong here
