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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
(December 2, 2011 at 9:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Correct, the system of logic is the arbitrator of what is or is not "logical", your repeated attempts to game the system have been exposed (and explained to you, repeatedly..51 pages worth at current count).

Merely calling someone’s axiomatic beliefs circular is actually only exposing your complete ignoarance of how logical reasoning works, it has no reflection on my completely valid logical system of beliefs, I have spent the last 51 pages trying to get this through your head.

Quote: Had you argued that you believe that only god can account for such and such, you wouldn't find yourself in this position.

Knowledge is justified belief, the fact that I can account for such things given my worldview and you cannot given your worldview justifies my belief, thus I know that only God can account for such things.

Quote: Couldn't control yourself though could you? You feel so hot with christfire that to even suggest that these are only your beliefs is equivalent to blasphemy, and you don't want to wind up in the bad place.

Blasphemy no, irrational yes.


Quote: Better men than yourself or I have argued these points and the conclusion that has been reached is that there is not, as of yet, an argument for the existence of your god that holds water. You may one day be the guy who finds it (if your god exists). You simply haven't yet. What you've offered thusfar is tired old shit. Give it a rest, after all these years it deserves R&R.

Thte fact you can’t refute my argument is no reason for me to give it a rest, I will continue to present it until you find a way to refute it. Considering no atheist philosopher has been successful to date, I don’t have much faith that you of all people will be the first to find a way, unless of course you believe in miracles.

(December 2, 2011 at 9:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: So you define "good" as "what God wills" and that's how you know God is good because God wills what God wills and we know that what God wills is good because God is good and God can't be capable of doing something that isn't good because God is good and so we know...

Nope, everything God wills is good because God’s will is consistent with His character and His character is the ultimate standard of Good. Just like the standard meter stick is a meter long because it is the ultimate standard as to what a meter is. I am really not sure why this concept of standards is so difficult for you to grasp, we use it every day.


Quote:No True Scotsman

I hope you realize that tossing out the name of a random fallacy adds nothing to your position; you must demonstrate how the fallacy applies.
It was actually quite logical what I said, but it may have flown right over your head. If you separate ten people and give them all the same Bible and they come up with ten different interpretations the people are the variable not the Bible. So the interpretations are the result of the people, not the Bible, which is exactly what I said.

(December 2, 2011 at 10:04 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm making fun of you because your arguments have already been reduced to the absurd.....

The following lesson in logic will cost you 5.95; I accept all major credit cards and paypal.

A reductio ad absurdum
requires an actual logical demonstration in order to be valid. This means you would have to actually deny the consequent of my logical argument. Since this has not been done by your or anyone else on here, making the claim that you have reduced anything to absurdity is in itself…well absurd. I hope this was helpful!
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 18, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Statler Waldorf - December 5, 2011 at 8:31 pm

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