(February 17, 2023 at 4:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That is, as far as I'm concerned and as far as what I mean by the term capitalism, the end all be all. Private ownership for profit. If however, the many capitalisms all reflect local circumstances, then this too would be an explanation of why the term "western capitalism" is meaningless. Or any other cardinal direction or political convention we might care to mention. As there are many different local circumstances within "the west".I agree with most of this but I still have one objection:
I, personally, don't put much stock in the idea that capitalism is harmful to the planet. That's the wheelhouse of people who believe, for whatever reason, that the best way or only way you can make money is by wrecking the place. In truth, there's no profit for the owner in burning their own house down. It may be the case that the owner can burn their house down and shove that -cost- off on someone else...but that's not capitalism, just another scam. Like crypto.
I suspect that what Leo means when he says "western capitalism" is not exclusively western, or actually capitalism. Short sighted profiteering and feudal looting, for example, which we neither invented nor do we hold any patent on - though it's certainly something we're very good at. Speaking of short sighted feudalism, I think it's ludicrous to try and use climate change to cash any personal political checks whatsoever. The climate doesn't give a shit about peoples ancient and foolish gripes with the other tribes. Cultural complaints are as meaningless as cardinal capitalism, in this regard. The idea that consumerism, for example, is harmful to the planet, isn't actually true. Consumption is not the problem -and good luck getting people to change by telling them to accept less. Production is the problem. Mass consumption of sustainable and renewable products is not only a non issue, it's a goddamned solution.....but mouthing the words tickles the sensibilities of people who think their own habits can be meaningfully distinguished from it and held to be superior to it.
Perhaps environmental conservation would be better served by arguing that we all could and should have more... of nicer stuff? Things that make the producer more profit, things that the consumer can have more of. Or, ofc, we can all continue babbling about the great western satan as we burn our own homes down in a desperate bid to get a few of his dollars.
There is a trend in western nations. Middle income level teenagers are buying textiles that are designed to be used one time only. These clothes like real haute-couture dresses but the quality is so limited that it can only be used one or two times. And they say it’s crazy how especially young people are investing into clothes that are than being thrown away (because it’s impossible to recycle these clothes. And these used clothes are than sent to Peru where they can rot in the desert.
So here is an example of an attitude that has to change (on consumer level). If I / we want to consume something, industrials will provide us these stuff. So while there is a lot of very cheap and good looking textile in the place where I live, I buy higher quality stuff in a more limited number. Then I always try to wear these things until they literally start disintegrating. Than I turn these textile into swabs or I donate them for poorer people to use them.
This is just one example. Another example is the example Britain who became the first country to ban single-use plastics. Plastic doesn’t disintegrate in nature. So why are we still producing plastics when it’s not absolutely necessary?
Third: I am a part of the Save Soil movement that is led by an Indian man called Sadhguru. In this movement we are asked to write to our politicians, representatives, ministries etc on the issue or organic elements in soil. The reason for that is that politicians are there to give us whatever it is we ask from them. If you blindly ask them for more food / more money etc. You’ll create Jair borsonario like leaders who will destroy the Amazon for profit. If you are clever like the Germans, You can make the Green party a major party in the current coalition and have a government that responds to Russian aggression by accelerating the energy transition.
So in the end it’s us. The consumer actually.
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