(February 23, 2023 at 8:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(February 23, 2023 at 7:49 pm)Belacqua Wrote: But since God includes everything, there can't be an object of consciousness separate from him. God's consciousness is just existence itself.
This, right here, is the explicit invocation of the primacy of consciousness fundamental to judeo christian monotheism and the stolen concept all rolled into one.
Under the primacy of consciousness....there is no existence itself, called reality per se - there is only whatever happens to be floating around in a megamind. For example, reality doesn't dictate whether things fall or float. The megamind dictates this, and it could be whatever said megamind dictates. The term reality is meaningless in this formulation, but so compelling that people who would assert as much feel the need to try a quick smash and grab, despite the fact that the very existence of any reality per se is a rejection of the primacy of consciousness, and powerfully argues -for- objectivism.
This, amusingly, does not apply to all or even most gods. Yet another self inflicted wound from the god of the philosophers. It's a ridiculously easy objection for theism to overcome, but christianity is wedded to stepping on that rake for no reason other than it's own insistence. I say this because the assertion gets them nowhere, supports nothing, and is completely uneccesary to any other thing in the christian orbit of belief.
What are you going on about? Certainly nothing related to what Bel or I actually said. There is no primacy of consciousness or primacy of existence. It is a false dicotomy. There only the primacy of God.
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