(February 23, 2023 at 8:06 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:How is it ridiculously easy for the Christian to overcome, Nudger?(February 23, 2023 at 7:49 pm)Belacqua Wrote: But since God includes everything, there can't be an object of consciousness separate from him. God's consciousness is just existence itself.
This, right here, is the explicit invocation of the primacy of consciousness fundamental to judeo christian monotheism and the stolen concept all rolled into one.
Under the primacy of consciousness....there is no existence itself, called reality per se - there is only whatever happens to be floating around in a megamind. For example, reality doesn't dictate whether things fall or float. The megamind dictates this, and it could be whatever said megamind dictates. The term reality is meaningless in this formulation, but so compelling that people who would assert as much feel the need to try a quick smash and grab, despite the fact that the very existence of any reality per se is a rejection of the primacy of consciousness, and powerfully argues -for- objectivism.
This, amusingly, does not apply to all or even most gods. Yet another self inflicted wound from the god of the philosophers. It's a ridiculously easy objection for theism to overcome, but christianity is wedded to stepping on that rake for no reason other than it's own insistence. I say this because the assertion gets them nowhere, supports nothing, and is completely uneccesary to any other thing in the christian orbit of belief.
"Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind, and a step that travels unlimited roads."
"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."
"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."