(February 24, 2023 at 1:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Theism, not christianity. Christianity is, as you've commented, explicit on this matter. On that note, I find it interesting that a great many neo pagans hold objectivist views but would probably not indicate as much for the historic or political implications as they see them. Their gods are, generally, not the same type of god as the christian god. More like products of reality than the manufacturer of reality. Manifestations of natural facts and relationships.
At any rate, the simplest way for a theist to overcome this objection is to affirm the primacy of existence. There are facts, there is a reality per se, and gods..while much more capable or competent than ourselves...are subordinate to it/them. Theism is neutral on the subject of objectivism and subjectivism, the primacy of existence or of consciousness - as it's a claim on the nature of gods, not reality per se. That the divine is personal and intervening, which could be the case under either viewpoint considered.
OK, I agree with you. Not all proposed gods violate the POE. I don't really think that it's important or necessary to refute every god claimed to exist nor can I. The big three represent the vast majority of the religions in the world and they are the ones that directly affect me and my family. The big three certainly do affirm the POC and this is a fatal flaw that they must deal with if they want others to believe. I have been bringing this up for many years and not one person has even been aware that this is an issue which only means they have a very superficial understanding of the fundamental principles of their religion.
Wasn't trying to derail the thread but any time I see a Christian, jew, or Muslim making use of my philosophy's premises I like to point it out, especially because of the rash of sh*& that they give me for not believing in their fantasy.
I find it really interesting that there is starting to be a Christian Objectivist movement. It only goes to show that these people have not examined their own worldview or Objectivism very carefully. The two are incompatible at the most fundamental level. Any resemblance is superficial at best. I think it's a good thing because if they do study Objectivism they will very likely be led to reject Christianity.
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"The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody has decided not to see."