(February 27, 2023 at 9:00 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(February 27, 2023 at 7:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Difficult in practice, perhaps, to identify - but certainly not as a logical proposition. The line with respect to any dispute between the poe and the poc is whether seeming is reality making, or being is reality making. Between fact and opinion as the literal and mechanical producers of reality per se. Between actuality and apprehension. I apprehend Bel as a cat. Does that make Bel a cat? I apprehend Bel as being dull. Does that make Bel dull? I apprehend Bel as a moral failure. Does that make Bel a moral failure?
I think..obviously, no. Insomuch as Bel is either a cat or dull or a moral failure, it could only be on account of facts about Bel, not facts about my apprehension of Bel. Still, two out of three aint bad. If it pisses on the rug and then demands adoration for it's opus, it's a cat. I figure it's 50/50 that I get one of the other two right, as it's hard to tell the difference, in practice, between them.
I find it tedious to have to deal with the insistence that a clear proposition is ambiguous when, in all likelihood, the underlying issue or item of objection - is that the other person thinks it's simply wrong - itself an invocation of purported objectivity. It might be wrong, that's worth exploring, but things are only right or wrong, statements only accurate or inaccurate in fact, in an objective context to begin with..so....? FWIW, I think randian objectivism is loon shit - but that doesn't mean that commitments to objectivity or subjectivity don't have distinct mechanical consequences in coherent systems.
Well, when you find a way to determine objective things without all the subjective in the way, do let me know. You have the wrong end of the telescope, inadvertently and illicitly switching around burdens.
I'll have you know that I almost never piss on the rug any more.