(March 31, 2023 at 11:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote:(March 31, 2023 at 9:06 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Humans are everywhere. There is evidence that humans exist.
And I think that anyone who has experience of humans knows that they are often illogical. We are extremely good at justifying unwise behavior, and finding reasons to work against our own best interests.
Yes, I have observed a certain set of humans and quite a number of them behave illogically, in varying degrees, depending on the situation.
I have also noted that when it comes to their god, people respect their god a lllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttt.
When I say a lot, I mean a huge a lot. They will bow down to it thousands of times a day, they will get down and lick his ass and will do absolutely anything for their god.
So, how does this happen? How does Judas sell his good friend, this good guy named Jesus, who goes around and spends his time bringing people to life, casts out demons, heals the sick and also Jesus is god.
How often in world religions do you have this kind of situation?
And more importantly, how big a moron is Judas?
Quote:The unwise behavior of the protagonists actually constitutes a main reason why we read Proust or Dostoevsky or Iris Murdoch
I haven’t read it. Tell me about it.
Quote:Remember that Phaedrus asks Socrates whether he thinks the Greek myths are true or not. Socrates answers that he doesn't care. Since the main project for each of us is to "know thyself," Socrates uses the myths to question whether and to what extent he is like the characters in the stories. It is reasonable and historical to read ancient literature with this goal in mind, and to assume that, like Plato, the writers wrote it with this goal in mind.
You think the Bible stories’ goal is to just read it and to learn about yourself?
Quote:Are there any sola scriptura literalist Christians posting on this forum? If you're arguing against people who are absent -- literalist believers -- then you have a point.
But "sticking to the facts" in the way that journalism or a modern history book sticks to the facts has never been the point of spiritual literature. It is meant as a provocation, as a challenge, as a puzzlement to inspire. Reading it through the lens of a category error will cause illogical and ahistorical misreadings, both for Christians and for atheists.
Yes, we keep running into this.
If anyone wants to declare themselves as non literalists, they can.
I have no problem with that.
I would just ask other questions. You can ask me other questions.