(May 15, 2023 at 9:08 am)Kingpin Wrote: Lastly, if the Cosmo/Teleo argument point to a prime mover as the most plausible cause, the mover must also be personal. Why? To create something is a choice, it's rational to believe the prime mover is personal.Bombs create craters. Do bombs have choices? Maybe a universe-creating-bomb exploded. Or a universe creating pixie, whose nature is to create universes, created ours and ceased to exist in the process (thats why we cant find traces of it).
The lesson i am trying to get across: When something PRODUCES something else, how do you know this certain something had to be a someONE again? See, once you leave that smuggled in, and loaded, word "create" out, its like letting all the air out of your (proverbial) balloon
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We also have good reason to believe, based on available data and evidence, that at some time in the past history of our universe time and space (timespace) broke down, making any of your philosophical arguments moot. Augustine maybe was hip a thousand years ago, but we have progressed a thousand years since then.
Philosophy is a nice thing, but in a lack of relation to available data and evidence, its no more (or less) than navel gazing. At least it should be updated according to the latest available data.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse