(May 12, 2023 at 1:56 pm)Kingpin Wrote: OK, reaching out to my agnostic/atheist friends. I'm very curious, genuinely interested, are there are "arguments" that theists have provided for proof of a God's existence (not even the Christian God), that you found compelling? Or caused you to pause and perhaps say, there might be A God out there?
No, for the very simple reason that arguments are not evidence. Imagine if you will a trial at which the prosecution argues eloquently but fails to present a single piece of evidence. I'm one of the guys in the juror's box wondering why the judge hasn't thrown this out of court.
I'll admit that I would at least be interested if a theist popped in with something new but it's inevitably the same old tired arguments from cosmology/morality/teleology/blah blah blah regurgitated by some apologist working off theology that was stillborn a thousand years ago. Seriously, I'd probably make a better apologist than most theists.
Quote:I found that when it's all broken down in most debates, an agnostic/atheist boils down to moral arguments/judgments against God, which in and of themselves does not disprove there being a God per se. Just that they refuse to accept a God they find reprehensible.
I think that the gods that some people claim to worship are pretty reprehensible. In most cases I'd gladly add the qualifiers "gormless", "bumbling", "grossly incompetent", "blood-thirsty", "petty"... Well, you get the idea. A lovely example of the worshipper creating god in their own image. If any of these gods existed then the proper course of action would not be to worship it but to cower in terror and the hope that it might overlook you and somehow fail to kill you through sheer ineptitude.
As for god, rather than these nasty caricatures above, well:
(1) I've never met the bloke.
(2) The universe seems to get on well enough without him.
(3) Every god ever imagined has been the result of religion and we know that's just organized superstition. And no, yours isn't ant different except as a study in history, anthropology, or social psychology.
