Morality

[Mister Agenda]

Thanks for all the responses folks.  The point I was trying to make is I see a LOT of atheists making moral judgments against theistic Gods and some go as far as saying that is WHY there cannot be a God.  But how can one justify that judgment as matter of fact if morality as a whole is subjective to self and society?  It cannot be fact if it's relative and subjective.  So making moral judgment about God as factual wrong is to borrow from theistic morality to deny theism.  Seems odd.

As for my morality subjective to God, what's the problem?  So what if it is?  He is the creator of all things, I'm perfectly fine being subjective to Him.  All this tells me is that you want to be your own God.  I believe morality is rooted in God's nature and we are made in the image of God, thus morality is engrained in our being, knowing right from wrong.

'The point I was trying to make is I see a LOT of atheists making moral judgments against theistic Gods and some go as far as saying that is WHY there cannot be a God.' None of the atheists here are making that point and many of us would criticize someone who claimed that there cannot be a God if God is immoral. Yet you keep expressing this complaint here.

'It cannot be fact if it's relative and subjective.' So it can't be a fact that I like chocolate?

'So making moral judgement about God as factual wrong is to borrow from theistic morality to deny theism. Seems odd.' Theists don't own objective morality, there are entire books on the subject that don't invoke any gods.

'All this tells me is that you want to be your own God.' I'm having trouble reconciling statements like this with your avowed intent not to offend. No one can escape using their own judgment to determine moral questions. Even if you decide to go by whatever you think God wants, it's your own judgment that doing so is moral and your own judgment that you've correctly discerned what God wants.

'I believe morality is rooted in God's nature and we are made in the image of God, thus morality is engrained in our being, knowing right from wrong.' What you believe and what's true are not synonyms, though we would all like them to be. I believe evolution explains our moral sentiments as handily and with more relevant evidence that ancient scriptures. Other social primates also demonstrate that they have feelings of altruism, empathy, fairness, and reciprocity. Our inherent moral sentiments that we inherited from our ancestors (and share with our cousins) combined with culture, evidence, experience, observation, and tradition; form our morality.