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Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God.
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RE: Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God.
(June 14, 2023 at 3:56 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(June 14, 2023 at 3:27 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: Thank you for supporting my post(s).

You're pretty much agreeing with my ideas. Thanks and cheers.

Great

OK, that's interesting. 

Is it fair to state it this way:

1) Morals are emergent properties from the actions of physical systems. 

2) Emergent properties are real and not simply subjective judgments. 

3) Therefore, Morals are not subjective judgments, but real effects of physical systems. 

I wouldn't have phrased it this way before, but this seems fairly close to Aristotelian Virtue Ethics. (And its many variations over the years.) He claims that human beings have certain characteristics which make them human, and which are common to all humans. You might express this sort of like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, which is a lot later than Aristotle, but claims to be true of human nature, and not merely a subjective choice or societal trend. 

In short, we can say that because people are a certain way, we can determine with some degree of specificity (not too much) what it is for people to flourish. The emergent properties which constitute flourishing are not something that varies from society to society, but from species to species. (Cat flourishing is not the same as human flourishing.) So although there is a lot of wiggle room for individual variation, in general morality is determined by the kind of animals we are, and is not something that can change, as long as we continue to be this kind of animal.

Yes, no, kind'a.

More along the lines of "IF morals are an emergent property, then all coherent groups/societies/extended bond-sharing species should show such patterns of behaviours."

So, when we meet aliens, regardless of their DNA/Number of manipulators/etc we can compare and contrast their 'Morals' with/alongside our own to see how things square away/match up.
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RE: Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God. - by Peebothuhlu - June 14, 2023 at 7:55 am

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