RE: Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God.
June 15, 2023 at 6:01 pm
(June 15, 2023 at 1:46 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:(June 14, 2023 at 9:08 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you can appeal to logic, then you literally -are- saying that slavery is objectively bad. People might dismiss it, but people often dismiss facts. That doesn't change anything about those facts, it just tells you about that person.
Logic but inside of the cultural frame. Let's say there is a society where slavery is moral because they believe that their god said it was moral. Now you could appeal to human feelings that slaves are suffering, but if they believe that their god is real then individuals don't matter and you are the one who is dismissing the facts. So the only thing you could do would be to debunk their god because to them it is logical to do what their god wants.
Just because they believe it is moral, does not make it so.
If actions by a moral agent, harm the well being of people, the action is immoral.
There are secular moral systems, that are objective.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
