(June 15, 2023 at 4:19 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:(June 15, 2023 at 10:37 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: All you're saying is Jesus knows there's a hell in the religion he invented, like Rowling knows Hogwarts exists in the world she invented. I don't disagree.You do understand that I'm not saying Hogwarts or hell is real just because the author of both frame out their respective realms right? I'm pointing out If anyone were to be an expert on Hogwarts or hell it would be the authors.
Now to determine whether or not either place exists is real means we have to approach them canonically. This means we must first see what the author claims about them. Do they even claim either place is real?
Hell yes, Hogwarts no.
So for Hell we must then look at what Jesus said about hell, and approach testing what he said in a way consistent with what He is describing. Otherwise it would be like trying to prove AI is self aware with a yard stick. In that the measure or tool you want to use has nothing to do with the subject being evaluated. As this just leads to a confirmation bias.
Basing a deterimination of whether something is 'really real' on whether the author intended you to take it as 'really real' is a daft method for trying to determine if something is really real. By that standard you should be a Mormon. Or anything, really; because there is no shortage of authors making contradictory claims about what's really real, so you can't pick one without rejecting what's canon to another one.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.