(June 16, 2023 at 8:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: God cannot possess righteousness if there is, in fact, no such thing as right. If what you mean to say is that god possesses mightiness, fine? Who cares? I could follow mighty amoral potentates in the real world. I don't need to invent one.
you are Right, morality or what you identified as 'right' can not exist outside of a society that supports it, as "right" is Not a self supporting self sustaining force. There are no inherent right or wrong traits. As right and wrong can only sustained by the power and authority of whom ever defines right. IE Might= right. I'm saying the right established by different countries/empires only last as long as the people do.
Now Because God has ultimate power and transcends all human authority His right is absolute.
This is why I make the distinction between God's righteousness and man's morality. As morality changes over time but God's righteousness Does not.
Quote:I've addressed this multiple times, and again directly above in this post. Insisting that people stubbornly cling to any moral proposition from their cultural past will not insure or even imply that their moral system is objective. Rather, it strongly suggests that you demand a relativistic morality frozen in time. It would make a silly sort of sense that you demand this - I'll give you that. As you've been conditioned to believe that the term "objective morality" refers to exactly this sort of thing, as expressed in the dead dead documents of your apparently frozen religion.
From an objectivists standpoint, just as people can get a math problem wrong, they can get a moral problem wrong. The thing to do when you're wrong, is to get correct. In your own framing, there's only one question to ask - and it's not for me or any other moral objectivist. Was god getting all this shit wrong and then refusing to get correct..or is it just people like you fucking it up then laying their own inadequacies at the feet of their alleged gods?
But how can you say a moral problem is wrong when the variables change over time? Again unless you can provide an example of at least one empirically universal permanent example of a unchanging moral standard that all society must accept, then it is as I pointed out. In that all forms of Morality (not righteousness) are in fact relative.
