Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 6, 2024, 3:59 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
[Serious] Absolutes and Atheism
#36
RE: Absolutes and Atheism
(June 17, 2023 at 9:23 pm)Tomato Wrote: Also, god is dead doesn't equate to nihilism.

It does for Nietzsche.

He doesn't think of God as the Sunday School old-man-in-the-sky version of the popular imagination. He is a philosopher, so he thinks of God as the philosopher's version.

For philosophers, God is the ordering principle of the universe. The Logos. Nietzsche believes that at its deepest level the universe has no order, no laws of nature, no principles which we can discover through science. This is what he means by God being dead -- we can no longer believe in an order which exists independently of people. You'll see that this is pretty much just an extreme version of Kantian epistemology -- not only are mental phenomena constructed by the mind (as Kant said), but the noumena -- the things in themselves -- do not have true existences which we imperfectly discern.

All order, for Nietzsche, is made up by people, either through art or through science. It is useful. It is an illusion we need to keep from going mad. 

If I'm understanding him right, Neo's question here could be rephrased as "Why is Nietzsche wrong? What absolute ordering principles can we believe in absent God?"
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 2:48 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by brewer - June 17, 2023 at 3:43 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 17, 2023 at 4:19 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2023 at 4:24 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 17, 2023 at 5:01 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2023 at 5:23 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 7:24 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 6:13 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Thumpalumpacus - June 17, 2023 at 7:51 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Fake Messiah - June 17, 2023 at 11:37 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 17, 2023 at 6:29 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 7:13 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 7:10 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Angrboda - June 17, 2023 at 7:36 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 9:51 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2023 at 10:12 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Angrboda - June 17, 2023 at 10:33 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 17, 2023 at 7:19 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by brewer - June 17, 2023 at 7:23 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 7:27 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by brewer - June 18, 2023 at 10:23 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2023 at 7:38 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2023 at 9:27 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Thumpalumpacus - June 17, 2023 at 7:42 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 19, 2023 at 1:08 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2023 at 8:14 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 9:13 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Deesse23 - June 18, 2023 at 2:03 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 19, 2023 at 1:13 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 19, 2023 at 9:18 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2023 at 9:26 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 19, 2023 at 9:29 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2023 at 9:54 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 20, 2023 at 9:27 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 28, 2023 at 10:49 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Deesse23 - June 29, 2023 at 2:31 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 29, 2023 at 9:00 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 29, 2023 at 9:52 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 20, 2023 at 9:12 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by brewer - June 19, 2023 at 3:56 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 17, 2023 at 9:20 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Gawdzilla Sama - June 17, 2023 at 9:20 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2023 at 9:23 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 9:59 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2023 at 10:04 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 17, 2023 at 10:11 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2023 at 10:18 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2023 at 10:10 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Gawdzilla Sama - June 17, 2023 at 11:42 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 11:12 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 17, 2023 at 10:13 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2023 at 11:01 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2023 at 11:02 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2023 at 11:14 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2023 at 11:47 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 11:53 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 17, 2023 at 11:45 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 17, 2023 at 11:49 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by emjay - June 18, 2023 at 1:36 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 18, 2023 at 2:06 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by emjay - June 18, 2023 at 6:25 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 18, 2023 at 7:07 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by emjay - June 18, 2023 at 9:00 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 18, 2023 at 9:44 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by emjay - June 18, 2023 at 11:31 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 19, 2023 at 1:06 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 18, 2023 at 12:34 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by emjay - June 18, 2023 at 1:13 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 19, 2023 at 1:17 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Architect Of Fate - June 18, 2023 at 2:33 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 18, 2023 at 3:54 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 18, 2023 at 4:21 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 18, 2023 at 9:47 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 19, 2023 at 1:00 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 19, 2023 at 1:13 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 19, 2023 at 1:18 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 18, 2023 at 10:19 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 18, 2023 at 2:31 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 18, 2023 at 9:37 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Rev. Rye - June 19, 2023 at 1:27 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Belacqua - June 19, 2023 at 1:37 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 1:43 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Angrboda - June 19, 2023 at 9:01 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 19, 2023 at 1:01 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2023 at 1:48 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 9:05 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Architect Of Fate - June 19, 2023 at 3:50 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 5:48 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 9:26 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 19, 2023 at 9:29 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 19, 2023 at 10:27 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Deesse23 - June 20, 2023 at 2:58 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 20, 2023 at 10:02 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2023 at 10:50 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 19, 2023 at 11:26 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 19, 2023 at 11:41 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Mister Agenda - June 20, 2023 at 10:34 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 11:10 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 11:19 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 19, 2023 at 11:26 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2023 at 11:28 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2023 at 3:44 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by brewer - June 20, 2023 at 7:45 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Angrboda - June 20, 2023 at 10:50 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Neo-Scholastic - June 20, 2023 at 9:41 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Foxaèr - June 28, 2023 at 11:00 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 28, 2023 at 11:19 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Architect Of Fate - June 28, 2023 at 11:23 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2023 at 2:40 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by arewethereyet - June 29, 2023 at 6:52 am
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Anomalocaris - June 29, 2023 at 1:43 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by Astreja - June 29, 2023 at 5:59 pm
RE: Absolutes and Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 29, 2023 at 11:30 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Christian and Atheism Worldwide Demographics: Current Realities and Future Trends. Nishant Xavier 55 2905 July 9, 2023 at 6:07 am
Last Post: no one
  Atheism VS Christian Atheism? IanHulett 80 27790 June 13, 2017 at 11:09 am
Last Post: vorlon13
  Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True HiYou 49 12470 July 21, 2015 at 6:59 am
Last Post: KUSA
  Atheism, Scientific Atheism and Antitheism tantric 33 12708 January 18, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Last Post: helyott
  Strong/Gnostic Atheism and Weak/Agnostic Atheism Dystopia 26 12263 August 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Last Post: Dawsonite
  Debate share, young earth? atheism coverup? atheism gain? xr34p3rx 13 10596 March 16, 2014 at 11:30 am
Last Post: fr0d0
  Religion, Atheism, and Deism -and the middle ground. Mystic 6 3368 March 9, 2014 at 2:41 am
Last Post: rsb
  What proof and evidence is there for "atheism" to be accurate and correct? SavedByChrist94 42 21948 January 12, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Last Post: Aegrus
  A different definition of atheism. Atheism isn't simply lack of belief in god/s fr0d0 14 12097 August 1, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Last Post: Mister Agenda
  "Old" atheism, "New"atheism, atheism 3.0, WTF? leo-rcc 69 38564 February 2, 2010 at 3:29 am
Last Post: tackattack



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)