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Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:34 pm
I do not believe the universe or universes could always have existed, because we are part of nature and therefore, if there was an infinite regress of cause and effects of nature, we would have had an eternity to come into being before now so we should have already happened. Self-contradictorily, we would never have existed because a past eternity would go on for eternity never reaching this point. A past eternity of cause and effects is a faulty construct.
I also don't believe the universe can start up from nothing, for that which does not exist can't cause anything as it doesn't exist. Nothing always leaves nothing from nothing.
I therefore believe that since nature can't start up from nothing nor always have existed, there is only one possibility that remains which is nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated.
I deem this uncreated Creator to be personal, intelligent and accessible because He can't be less than humans His creation who are likewise personal and accessible.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:44 pm
Sigh.
OP, do you regularly walk into people's houses and start preaching without introducing yourself? That's analogous to what you've done here.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:46 pm
(July 15, 2015 at 10:34 pm)HiYou Wrote: I do not believe the universe or universes could always have existed, because we are part of nature and therefore, if there was an infinite regress of cause and effects of nature, we would have had an eternity to come into being before now so we should have already happened. Self-contradictorily, we would never have existed because a past eternity would go on for eternity never reaching this point. A past eternity of cause and effects is a faulty construct.
I also don't believe the universe can start up from nothing, for that which does not exist can't cause anything as it doesn't exist. Nothing always leaves nothing from nothing.
I therefore believe that since nature can't start up from nothing nor always have existed, there is only one possibility that remains which is nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated.
I deem this uncreated Creator to be personal, intelligent and accessible because He can't be less than humans His creation who are likewise personal and accessible.
Yes, all hail Enlil and his son Enki, the creator of men.
Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:47 pm
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Bravo, you have convinced me. Tomorrow I'm flying on a plane to fight for ISIS. Go Islamic State!
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Oh, great, another one of these:
I do not have an answer, so it must be the one that has no evidence to support it.
Fuck you for continuing the ignorance of the human race.
Just because there is no evidence of what created us does not mean the answer is that what created us has no evidence to support its ridiculous claims.
Grow the fuck up and learn how to fucking think.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:53 pm
SO more nonsense claims that have no bearing on reality.
Your undeniable "truths" are claims that you cannot demonstrate or provide evidence for.
Therefore they're not "truths" and are certainly undeniable.
Moving on.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 10:57 pm
Of course, it is not good enough just to know God exists, for even the most evil person who ever lived knows this. Salvation entails submitting oneself to God. One way of not submitting yourself to God is by making God out to be what He is not. For example, by claiming He did not die and did not resurrect would be wrong.
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hades (grave) and of death. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Rev. 1.7,8,11,17,18; 21.5-7; 22.12,13).
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 11:00 pm
*Yawn*
Aren't there rules about proselytising?
"You shall not pass"
See I can quote a book of fantasy, too.
Now, run along to WND or Rapture Ready where this kind of nonsense is appreciated.
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 11:01 pm
I'm bored
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RE: Two Undeniable Truths Why Theism is True and Atheism and Agnosticism are Not True
July 15, 2015 at 11:06 pm
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Jesus who created you was on earth with authority, but died, yet resurrected which is, and will return with power.
[Jhn 1:1-5 KJV] 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
You are the darkness. This place is the darkness.
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