RE: Christianity's Valuable Contributions to Humanity: An Examination of Militant Atheism
June 19, 2023 at 5:29 pm
(This post was last modified: June 19, 2023 at 5:43 pm by Deesse23.)
(June 19, 2023 at 4:18 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: King Richard the Lionheart of England, one of the Crusaders, when offered the Crown of Jerusalem, said: "I will not wear a Crown of Gold where Christ my King wore a Crown of Thorns". This man was not after power and wealth, nor driven by bloodlust, and it would be madness to think he was, any more than to think the Allies who liberated Germany from the Nazis on D-Day were. Read the history for yourself and then assess.Lionheart, not after power and wealth, not driven by bloodlust, offered the crown of Jerusalem


That was Raimond of Touluse, you dolt, and the first crusade. During the third crusade there was no crown to offer to Lionheart. The reason for the entire 3rd crusade was that Jerusalem was lost to Saladin. If you had ANY clue what the fuck you are talking about, if you werent just mindlessly copy-pasting articles from other people you would have known that something must be wrong with this.
Back to Raimond, unlike most other crusaders he wanted to keep his oath, but he also was part of the crusade that massacred probably 50.000 people in Jerusalem, muslims AND christians (because to a westerner the people looked and behaved all the same).
He was actually so pious that he* swore an oath to Alexios to give back any conquered territory. And when Jerusalem was taken he gave it back.....nahh, im just joking

Back to the first crusade. The normans, vassals of the Pope and arch enemies of the Byzantines of course had no intentions to do ANYTHING for Alexios as well. Alexios actually was scared of them and made sure to send them asap over to the Turks......Yeah, Bohemund of Taranto took Antiochia for himself**. He didnt even bother to go full Jerusalem. How noble, how christian, how catholic. I repeat: those who were the closest to the pope, were least inclined to keep their oath and help the Byzantines.
It it, by the way, conceivable that it was not piety that prevented Raimond from accepting the crown of Jerusalem, but.....Tripolis needed to be conquered too. So, yeah, he was probably driven by hunger for power. But, cool story you told there, bro, just ab-so-fuck-ing-lutely wrong.
Yeah, those great and noble crusaders.......men of honor, not at all like todays politicians. Yeah, the crusades, those were times, no infighting no power- and land grab under the pretense of religion/christianity. Just devout christians....ah, those were the days *swoons*
Unlike you, i have actually READ my history books. Real books, not the sanitized feel good version for little children. Im not mindlessly copying shit, unlike you.
*like any other prince did, otherwise the Byzantine emperor would not have shipped them across the Bosporus
** not after a major struggle with Raimond of Toulouse, who wanted to give it back to Alexios, according to his oath.
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