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UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 9, 2015 at 7:57 pm
http://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/20...esearchers
UK Anglicans are in serious decline, whereas Atheism and Islam are on the rise.
Now...it's good that Christianity's influence is weakening but now it's a case of Christian dogma or Islamic dogma?
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 9, 2015 at 8:05 pm
I'm not really sure what the muslims are doing to spread so quickly, unless it's through fear. though you'd think in a more developed nation people would be more eager to call the police than convert.
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 9, 2015 at 8:07 pm
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(June 9, 2015 at 8:05 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I'm not really sure what the muslims are doing to spread so quickly, unless it's through fear. though you'd think in a more developed nation people would be more eager to call the police than convert.
PEW surveys show that Muslim families have more children on average - it's far more likely that their children will retain their faith as apostasy is stricter in Islam.
Also immigration in Britain is quite high.
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm
It's not likely Muslims will surpass or level the rest of the british population in the next decades, there's little to worry about - Additionally, the young are often rebellious so there's a higher chance british kids (Muslims) would leave the religion because of (1) secular education and science teaching (2) there's no penalty for apostasy in Britan (I think)
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 10, 2015 at 4:23 am
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(June 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm)Dystopia Wrote: It's not likely Muslims will surpass or level the rest of the british population in the next decades, there's little to worry about - Additionally, the young are often rebellious so there's a higher chance british kids (Muslims) would leave the religion because of (1) secular education and science teaching (2) there's no penalty for apostasy in Britan (I think)
I think the only penalty for leaving a religion would be (illegally) carried out by members of that religion. I've never lived in an area of the UK where religion is even an issue, so I've not seen first hand what happens in such situations or how a Muslim community would treat a deconvert.
I'd be very surprised and disgusted to hear of any official penalty. Surely there isn't one in America either?
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 10, 2015 at 5:37 am
(June 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm)Dystopia Wrote: It's not likely Muslims will surpass or level the rest of the british population in the next decades, there's little to worry about - Additionally, the young are often rebellious so there's a higher chance british kids (Muslims) would leave the religion because of (1) secular education and science teaching (2) there's no penalty for apostasy in Britan (I think)
You're right that there is no penalty for apostasy in British law, but Sharia law operates outside of that and there are still very, very harsh inter and intra-community punishments for it.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/new...nced-islam
There have been serious issues in the past in communities where the majority espouse a sect of Islam with harsh conservative sharia courts dominating local lives.
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 10, 2015 at 5:58 am
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(June 10, 2015 at 5:37 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: (June 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm)Dystopia Wrote: It's not likely Muslims will surpass or level the rest of the british population in the next decades, there's little to worry about - Additionally, the young are often rebellious so there's a higher chance british kids (Muslims) would leave the religion because of (1) secular education and science teaching (2) there's no penalty for apostasy in Britan (I think)
You're right that there is no penalty for apostasy in British law, but Sharia law operates outside of that and there are still very, very harsh inter and intra-community punishments for it.
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/new...nced-islam
There have been serious issues in the past in communities where the majority espouse a sect of Islam with harsh conservative sharia courts dominating local lives.
Here is a video.
These are non-Muslims getting harassed for not adhering to Sharia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9L_zEZflFQ
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 10, 2015 at 6:00 am
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 10, 2015 at 7:47 am
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(June 9, 2015 at 7:57 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: UK Anglicans are in serious decline, whereas Atheism and Islam are on the rise.
You know, you can look that shit up. The UK census for 2011 speaks of 4,4 percent muslims in the UK. That's really a scary surge, given that still 59,5 percent claim to be affiliated with christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in...ed_Kingdom
You single source as fact presentations are but one of the reasons why I don't take you seriously.
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RE: UK - Christianity declining, Atheism rising, but so is Islam...
June 10, 2015 at 8:28 am
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(June 10, 2015 at 7:47 am)abaris Wrote: (June 9, 2015 at 7:57 pm)TheMessiah Wrote: UK Anglicans are in serious decline, whereas Atheism and Islam are on the rise.
You know, you can look that shit up. The UK census for 2011 speaks of 4,4 percent muslims in the UK. That's really a scary surge, given that still 59,5 percent claim to be affiliated with christianity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in...ed_Kingdom
You single source as fact presentations are but one of the reasons why I don't take you seriously.
Someone's salty...
You do know that the UK is not 59.5% Christian? The Richard Dawkins foundation ruthlessly debunked these statistics, the people who replied to such censuses were Christian in name only; when they did a follow up, they were incapable of even answering basic Christian questions which an average American would know.
In the last half decade, the presence of radical Islam in the UK, even if statistically small, is much more aggressive than Christianity. There are Sharia patrols on the streets, in addition to soldiers getting their faces hacked off on the streets.
There were more British Muslims who joined ISIS than British people joining the army.
NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoon
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british...lam-first/
78% of an entire demographic believe that punishment is deserved for drawing a cartoon
BBC (2015): Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, 27% of British Muslims openly support violence against cartoonists. Another 8% would not say, meaning that only 2 of 3 surveyed would say that the killings were not justified.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196
Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawO...ForAll.pdf
NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/1...2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/200...0Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/...h-islamist
Want more than a single source? Have dozens. For free.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/...-polls.htm
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