(June 19, 2023 at 10:27 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: C'mon guys! I am getting really disappointed. Can't a couple atheists debate this instead of this being another boring tribal us and them atheist versus theist thread. Surely there is someone willing to make put up some cognito ergo sum. So lame. If atheism is interesting and worthy of discussing then why all this "what do you mean by that" knida replies. Flesh it out. Or maybe you can't and hence do not try.Is that the reason you created this thread?...to come to the point of "atheists cant provide ULTIMATE, EXTERNAL, ETERNAL meaning, therefore...god...or at least therefore i am just as justified to believe in it than you are to not"?
Is that it?
If so, then spare us all the noise and be blunt and honest for a change and tell us so. Personally i am less offended by people being in open disagreement than someone weaseling around the issue. Saves both parties lots of time, you know
As for an Atheist´ fundamental princiiples. I do accept logic and reason. I cant prove they work, but they seem to, for everyone since we are using them. Second: Ethics (i am sure you will bring this up, sooner or later). Fundamentally i think health is better than harm, happyness is better than being unhappy. From there we can start and work towards a better world (in this case your hypothetical, godless world).
Nihilism/meaning of life:
You live, dont you? You will be here with the rest of us (and the nature around you) for statistically the next 80y. Make the best out of it, or just sit around being idle and die of dehydration after three days. Its all up to you. GO!
See, its that easy.
Oh, and if you would like to (argue that you would ) rape pillage and steal now, then i have two tips for you.
#1 Go back to christianity. Go to church, regularly please (!) and make sure you arent a danger to the rest of us
or
#2 Please consider that noone will stop you doing so (raping, pillaging n stuff) but you will be removed from our tribe. Either be casting you out of our settlement, so you are on your own vs all the wildlife out there, or we will put you in prison.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse