RE: Christianity's Valuable Contributions to Humanity: An Examination of Militant Atheism
June 22, 2023 at 5:19 pm
Quote:Agnostics and Atheists had such Significant Influence in Revolutionary France that they Persecuted Christians. After their Reign of Terror (as mentioned in the OP, p. 3), they could easily have played a prominent role in abolishing/outlawing Slavery. So why didn't France take the lead role in that? Instead, the countries that did, America and Britain, were clearly Christian-majority countries at the time. It's also worth point out, again by the contemporaneous comparison, that Atheists had more Religious Freedom in the UK or US than Christians had for quite a while in France.You do realize that the Fench Revolutionaries outlawed slavery right twice right? You also realize they did it before America did right? Also, there was a reason Christians were Persecuted in France it's because they overwhelmingly tended to have monarchist sympathies and the only reason America or Britain had more freedoms was because atheists weren't large enough to be seen as any kind of threat to their power. So this narrative of yours falls apart
Quote:Did you read that New Advent Article I quoted? I can't give links, but you can find it online. Titled, "Christianity and Slavery": "In the Middle Ages slavery, properly so called, no longer existed in Christian countries; it had been replaced by serfdom, an intermediate condition in which a man enjoyed all his personal rights except the right to leave the land he cultivated and the right to freely dispose of his property."Irrelevant as they did eventually embrace slavery and selfdom Though not as bad as slavery was still horrific which is why it was eventually abolished.
Quote:There's a distinction between servitude and slavery. If someone is poor, and wants money, or is in debt, he can be a servant or serf. Not slavery.Indentured servitude though distinct from slavery was no less evil immoral and wrong which is why it was eventually abolished
Quote:Later on, as mentioned, when explorers found people of other races, they wrongly enslaved them. It should be noted the Popes often condemned the practice, going back to the 15th century. For e.g.: "Nevertheless, with the passage of time, it has happened that in some of the said islands, because of a lack of suitable governors and defenders to direct those who live there to a proper observance of the Faith in things spiritual and temporal, and to protect valiantly their property and goods, some Christians (we speak of this with sorrow), with fictitious reasoning and seizing and opportunity, have approached said islands by ship, and with armed forces taken captive and even carried off to lands overseas very many persons of both sexes, taking advantage of their simplicity ...It doesn't matter if the Pope condemned it or not. The Vatican was still involved in slavery and whole Christain nations embraced it. Trying to downplay this isn't going to work.
Quote:no less do We order and command all and each of the faithful of each sex, within the space of fifteen days of the publication of these letters in the place where they live, that they restore to their earlier liberty all and each person of either sex who were once residents of said Canary Islands, and made captives since the time of their capture, and who have been made subject to slavery. These people are to be totally and perpetually free, and are to be let go without the exaction or reception of money." (Sicut Dudum, 1435)Irrelevant the fact they were made slaves period renders this statement moot
Quote:Popular Support for Abolitionism would take quite some time to form. But here, in the 15th century, a Papal Bull clearly condemns enslavement of the innocent.Again the fact slavery happened at all moots this point
Quote:Ok, fair enough. But Atheists, as someone else also mentioned, have had quite significant influence starting around the last 200-250 years or so.No nearly enough to start shifting an ingrained policy like slavery
Quote:I am speaking of it being outlawed in virtually every developed country, which is a positive development for humanity as a whole, has helped millions experience freedom. Obviously, it should be abolished everywhere, but that may take more time. For the purposes of this thread, Christianity overall played a positive role in its Abolition in much of the developed world. Christian countries also put pressure on Islamic/Muslim countries, to abolish it in their lands, as the article I mentioned shows.And my response is Christianity embraced slavery and no amount of hand-waving changes that. And all you rant did here was try to obfuscate that fact. And you failed
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