Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 2, 2025, 8:12 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Isaiah 53, 700 B.C: Historical Evidence of the Divine Omniscience.
#43
RE: Isaiah 53, 700 B.C: Historical Evidence of the Divine Omniscience.
(July 24, 2023 at 7:33 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Now, let's back to the issue: Grandizer, any comments on the Rabbi I cited who understood Isaiah 53 was about the Messiah: (1) "Rabbi Shimon Ben Yochai: “The meaning of the words ‘bruised for our iniquities’ [Isaiah 53:5] is, that since the Messiah bears our iniquities, which produce the effect of his being bruised, it follows that whoso will not admit that the Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities, must endure and suffer them for them himself.“ (2) The Babylon Talmud also says this of the Messiah: “His name is ‘the leper scholar,’ as it is written, “Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows yet we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God, and afflicted”. Finally, (3) a well known Jewish Prayer for Yom Kippur, a Post-Christian one at that, openly states: “Our righteous Messiah has turned away from us we have acted foolishly and there is no one to justify us. Our iniquities and the yoke of our transgressions he bears and he is pierced for our transgressions. He carries our sins on his shoulder, to find forgiveness for our iniquities. By his wounds we are healed.”

Now, let's come back to the Prophet Isaiah himself: let me use your own translation. You wrote: "The verse does not say, “He was wounded for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities,” which could convey the vicarious suffering ascribed to Jesus. Rather, the proper translation is: “He was wounded because of our transgressions, and crushed because of our iniquities.” Ok, how does the meaning change exactly?

I give up.
[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Isaiah 53, 700 B.C: Historical Evidence of the Divine Omniscience. - by Angrboda - July 24, 2023 at 8:19 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Veridical NDEs: Evidence/Proof of the Soul and the After-Life? Nishant Xavier 34 3880 July 17, 2024 at 7:34 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  The Historical Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Nishant Xavier 38 4811 August 7, 2023 at 10:24 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  When were the Gospels Written? The External and Internal Evidence. Nishant Xavier 62 5956 August 6, 2023 at 10:25 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  British Non-Catholic Historian on Historical Longevity of the Roman Catholic Church. Nishant Xavier 36 3067 August 6, 2023 at 4:48 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  Christianity in Africa stats: <10 MN in 1900, 700 MN today. Nishant Xavier 75 7579 July 24, 2023 at 8:30 am
Last Post: Angrboda
  Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God. Nishant Xavier 162 17097 July 9, 2023 at 7:53 am
Last Post: Deesse23
  Signature in the Cell: DNA as Evidence for Design, beside Nature's Laws/Fine-Tuning. Nishant Xavier 54 5557 July 8, 2023 at 8:23 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  Why the resurrection accounts are not evidence LinuxGal 5 1411 October 29, 2022 at 2:01 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  Legal evidence of atheism Interaktive 16 3548 February 9, 2020 at 8:44 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  Evidence for Believing Lek 368 65476 November 14, 2019 at 5:39 pm
Last Post: GrandizerII



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)