RE: What has Christianity truly contributed to humanity
July 27, 2023 at 7:04 am
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2023 at 7:45 am by Bucky Ball.)
(July 27, 2023 at 12:21 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(July 26, 2023 at 8:55 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: It's not "fair". You obviously don't know any church musicians, and me, I know too many.
You're wrong here. My mom, who turned me onto Bach in the first place, played organ in her church from eleven to eighteen, when she married. And having myself sang choir in church as a youth, I knew pianists, organists, and guitarists who played for services. This is you trying to chest-thump when you don't know your ass from third base about your interlocutor.
You should probably limit yourself to posting about things you know about, but that would likely amount to a self-ban.
(July 26, 2023 at 8:55 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: He needed a piece, found a text, (or was given it), and wrote it out. Your assumption is totally unwarranted.
Wait, my assumption is that he's just writing his upbringing. You're assuming his Christian faith had nothing to do with it. So we both hold assumptions, but I'm pretty sure mine stand on steadier ground.
(July 26, 2023 at 8:55 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: He needed something to fill out a service, just like countless others.
I might not doubt his faith, but I know of no reason to assume his work-product or even occupation was in any way the result of any "faith".
So I'd asked you for any sources, and you clearly have none, else you would present them.
(July 26, 2023 at 8:55 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Why is a Lutheran writing Catholic masses ?
It's almost like you're ignorant of the fact that Lutherans hold Mass as well.
This is a Bucky-can't-be-wrong moment, rather than you just simply listening to an opinion that doesn't agree with yours. I'd feel sorry for you, but you're making your own unhappiness by not being able to listen.
Thankfully, that's not a me-problem.
Of course, here we have Thump constantly dishing out unasked-for advice. He can't help himself. He always knows best. Forgive me, I forgot you always know best.
I knew it was a bad idea to even have any interaction with you. I knew it was going to turn into yet another incidence of your telling someone they were wrong and that (of course) you know better. There are countless examples of AD, it's one of the reasons I left. Every time I signed on, you're fighting with someone.
What your mom did or didn't do has absolutely nothing to do with whether Bach was inspired just by music itself or by some faith ... which you absolutely know nothing about. Of *course* yours are on steadier ground. Aren't they fucking always. YOU have no sources either. So he went to Lutheran school as a child, LOL, and that proves what ? The Lutherans don't have "mass" AND the liturgy for their Eucharist is TOTALLY different than Catholic mass. You actually know nothing about either. Look it up. No, it's just another Thump of course always has to be right. No one is allowed to disagree with you. ta ta You're on ignore, where you always should have been.
You have no freaking way of knowing what his motivation was for any specific piece of music.
Most likely, his motivation was the money. He was far from rich, and he had a ton of kids.
"Johann Sebastian Bach had two wives and a total of 20 children."
"Bach was definitely not rich, nor wealthy. He had the payment from his job plus more income from performing at weddings, anniversaries and funerals".
He worked his ass off, because he had to. Money was most likely the motivation for everything he did.
These composers explicitly rejected the notion of any gods or religious dogma.
They all wrote religious music :Bartok, Beethoven, Berlioz, Bizet, Brahms, Debussy, Delius, Kabalevsky, Khachaturian, Mahler, Maxwell Davies, Mozart, Orff, Paganini, Prokofiev, Ravel, Rimsky-Korsakov, Rorem, Rubinstein, Anton, Saint-Saens, Schubert, Schumann, Shostakovich, Sibelius, Smyth, Strauss, Richard, Tchaikovsky, Vaughan Williams, (also worked for the Church of England), Virgil Thomson, Verdi, Wagner
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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