(August 10, 2023 at 8:50 am)Belacqua Wrote:There are two sexes and they have empirical markers (genitalia, chromosomes). Gender is expressed as an array of behaviors and in some cases modifications to secondary sex characteristics. So no, we don't set aside our values to buy in to gender fluidity.(August 10, 2023 at 8:30 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Personally I subscribe to a self-id model of gender.
Now we have this one quite important exception to what had previously seemed like a rule. Self-ID of gender is not something that empirical science can objectively verify. In fact all the markers previously used for this purpose -- chromosomes, etc. -- are declared to be irrelevant.
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RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 10:02 pm
RE: Gender - by The Valkyrie - July 15, 2023 at 10:07 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 10:17 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 10:22 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:28 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 10:33 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 10:45 pm
RE: Gender - by Anomalocaris - July 16, 2023 at 12:03 am
RE: Gender - by Deesse23 - July 16, 2023 at 1:26 am
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 10:33 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:37 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm
RE: Gender - by Mister Agenda - August 10, 2023 at 5:21 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:44 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 10:58 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:14 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 11:20 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:26 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 11:37 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:31 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:54 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:58 pm
RE: Gender - by Nay_Sayer - July 16, 2023 at 12:23 am
RE: Gender - by no one - July 15, 2023 at 10:48 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 11:21 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:24 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:50 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 11:53 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 16, 2023 at 12:09 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 15, 2023 at 11:34 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:52 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:56 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 16, 2023 at 12:00 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:39 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 15, 2023 at 11:42 pm
RE: Gender - by Anomalocaris - July 16, 2023 at 12:01 am
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 16, 2023 at 12:21 am
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2023 at 12:24 am
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 16, 2023 at 12:33 am
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2023 at 12:35 am
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2023 at 2:47 am
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 16, 2023 at 1:58 am
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2023 at 2:21 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:42 am
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 16, 2023 at 12:03 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 12:30 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 17, 2023 at 10:57 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 17, 2023 at 11:15 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 17, 2023 at 11:33 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2023 at 12:32 pm
RE: Gender - by Anomalocaris - July 16, 2023 at 12:37 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 12:39 am
RE: Gender - by Fake Messiah - July 16, 2023 at 12:45 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 12:46 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 1:08 am
RE: Gender - by no one - July 16, 2023 at 2:38 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 3:05 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:57 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 8:29 am
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 16, 2023 at 9:31 am
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2023 at 6:00 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 12:54 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 1:04 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 1:14 pm
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 16, 2023 at 2:17 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 6:02 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2023 at 11:18 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 17, 2023 at 11:18 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 17, 2023 at 11:23 pm
RE: Gender - by LadyForCamus - July 17, 2023 at 11:37 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2023 at 11:48 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2023 at 11:50 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 18, 2023 at 1:30 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 18, 2023 at 1:19 am
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 18, 2023 at 6:59 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 18, 2023 at 7:01 pm
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 18, 2023 at 7:05 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 18, 2023 at 8:13 pm
RE: Gender - by Nay_Sayer - July 18, 2023 at 8:26 pm
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 18, 2023 at 8:33 pm
RE: Gender - by LadyForCamus - July 18, 2023 at 10:52 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 18, 2023 at 11:01 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 18, 2023 at 10:59 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2023 at 10:23 pm
RE: Gender - by Rev. Rye - July 19, 2023 at 12:13 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 19, 2023 at 12:27 am
RE: Gender - by no one - July 19, 2023 at 12:33 am
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 10, 2023 at 8:30 am
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 8:50 am
RE: Gender - by LinuxGal - August 10, 2023 at 9:12 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 10, 2023 at 10:59 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 10, 2023 at 4:47 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 6:25 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 6:27 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 6:28 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 10, 2023 at 8:04 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 9:31 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - August 11, 2023 at 10:47 am
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 5:17 pm
RE: Gender - by Mister Agenda - August 10, 2023 at 5:30 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 5:45 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 6:18 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 6:22 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 6:25 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 10, 2023 at 7:48 pm
RE: Gender - by Fake Messiah - August 11, 2023 at 1:22 am
RE: Gender - by no one - August 10, 2023 at 9:37 am
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 10, 2023 at 9:43 am
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 12:56 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 10, 2023 at 3:33 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 5:07 pm
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 10, 2023 at 5:26 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 10, 2023 at 6:53 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 7:31 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 10, 2023 at 7:32 pm
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 11, 2023 at 2:28 am
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 2:59 am
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2023 at 4:46 am
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 11, 2023 at 2:42 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 5:09 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 8:17 am
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 9:25 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 11, 2023 at 9:42 am
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 11, 2023 at 10:19 am
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 10:27 am
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 11, 2023 at 10:36 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 10:42 am
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 10:52 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 1:07 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 1:42 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 3:56 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 4:37 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 4:54 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 5:10 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 5:16 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 6:54 pm
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