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Gender
RE: Gender
(August 10, 2023 at 8:50 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(August 10, 2023 at 8:30 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Personally I subscribe to a self-id model of gender.
I think it's fascinating that the rule of empirical objectivity has exceptions. Obviously, if someone here said, "I am sure that God is all around me because it is self-evident to my experience as a human," none of the regular posters here would take that as the least bit persuasive as evidence. But "I am sure I am not the same gender I was assigned at birth because it is self-evident to my experience as a human" is something we now accept without question. 

We wouldn't take it as persuasive, but I don't think many of us would argue that it's not their experience. We're not going to try to force someone to pretend there's no God because we're so sure there isn't. Not trying to force a different reality than the one they perceive on someone is just following the don't be a dick commandment. That's without getting into nuances of intersex, hormones, and possibly actual brain structure.

I don't have to personally believe a person's self description is precisely correct in order to honor it. You might notice most of the atheists here support freedom of religion, for instance.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:00 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 10:02 pm
RE: Gender - by The Valkyrie - July 15, 2023 at 10:07 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 10:17 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 10:22 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:28 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 10:33 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 10:45 pm
RE: Gender - by Anomalocaris - July 16, 2023 at 12:03 am
RE: Gender - by Deesse23 - July 16, 2023 at 1:26 am
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 10:33 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:37 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 11:02 pm
RE: Gender - by Mister Agenda - August 10, 2023 at 5:21 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 10:44 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 10:58 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:14 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 11:20 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:26 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 11:37 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:31 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:54 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:58 pm
RE: Gender - by Nay_Sayer - July 16, 2023 at 12:23 am
RE: Gender - by no one - July 15, 2023 at 10:48 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 11:21 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:24 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:50 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2023 at 11:53 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 16, 2023 at 12:09 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 15, 2023 at 11:34 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:38 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 15, 2023 at 11:52 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 15, 2023 at 11:56 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 16, 2023 at 12:00 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:39 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 15, 2023 at 11:42 pm
RE: Gender - by Anomalocaris - July 16, 2023 at 12:01 am
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 16, 2023 at 12:21 am
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2023 at 12:24 am
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 16, 2023 at 12:33 am
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2023 at 12:35 am
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2023 at 2:47 am
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - July 16, 2023 at 1:58 am
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2023 at 2:21 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:42 am
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 16, 2023 at 12:03 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 12:30 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 17, 2023 at 10:57 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 17, 2023 at 11:15 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 17, 2023 at 11:33 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2023 at 12:32 pm
RE: Gender - by Anomalocaris - July 16, 2023 at 12:37 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 12:39 am
RE: Gender - by Fake Messiah - July 16, 2023 at 12:45 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 12:46 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 1:08 am
RE: Gender - by no one - July 16, 2023 at 2:38 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 3:05 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 7:57 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 8:29 am
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 16, 2023 at 9:31 am
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2023 at 6:00 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 12:54 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 16, 2023 at 1:04 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 1:14 pm
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 16, 2023 at 2:17 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 16, 2023 at 6:02 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2023 at 11:18 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 17, 2023 at 11:18 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - July 17, 2023 at 11:23 pm
RE: Gender - by LadyForCamus - July 17, 2023 at 11:37 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2023 at 11:48 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2023 at 11:50 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 18, 2023 at 1:30 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 18, 2023 at 1:19 am
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 18, 2023 at 6:59 pm
RE: Gender - by Silver - July 18, 2023 at 7:01 pm
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 18, 2023 at 7:05 pm
RE: Gender - by Lek - July 18, 2023 at 8:13 pm
RE: Gender - by Nay_Sayer - July 18, 2023 at 8:26 pm
RE: Gender - by brewer - July 18, 2023 at 8:33 pm
RE: Gender - by LadyForCamus - July 18, 2023 at 10:52 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 18, 2023 at 11:01 pm
RE: Gender - by Ravenshire - July 18, 2023 at 10:59 pm
RE: Gender - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2023 at 10:23 pm
RE: Gender - by Rev. Rye - July 19, 2023 at 12:13 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - July 19, 2023 at 12:27 am
RE: Gender - by no one - July 19, 2023 at 12:33 am
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 10, 2023 at 8:30 am
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 8:50 am
RE: Gender - by LinuxGal - August 10, 2023 at 9:12 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 10, 2023 at 10:59 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 10, 2023 at 4:47 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 6:25 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 6:27 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 6:28 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 10, 2023 at 8:04 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 9:31 pm
RE: Gender - by GrandizerII - August 11, 2023 at 10:47 am
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 5:17 pm
RE: Gender - by Mister Agenda - August 10, 2023 at 5:30 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 10, 2023 at 5:45 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 6:18 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 6:22 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 6:25 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 10, 2023 at 7:48 pm
RE: Gender - by Fake Messiah - August 11, 2023 at 1:22 am
RE: Gender - by no one - August 10, 2023 at 9:37 am
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 10, 2023 at 9:43 am
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 12:56 pm
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 10, 2023 at 3:33 pm
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 10, 2023 at 5:07 pm
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 10, 2023 at 5:26 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 10, 2023 at 6:53 pm
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 10, 2023 at 7:31 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 10, 2023 at 7:32 pm
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 11, 2023 at 2:28 am
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 2:59 am
RE: Gender - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 11, 2023 at 4:46 am
RE: Gender - by FrustratedFool - August 11, 2023 at 2:42 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 5:09 pm
RE: Gender - by Belacqua - August 11, 2023 at 8:17 am
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 9:25 am
RE: Gender - by Angrboda - August 11, 2023 at 9:42 am
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 11, 2023 at 10:19 am
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 10:27 am
RE: Gender - by arewethereyet - August 11, 2023 at 10:36 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 10:42 am
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 10:52 am
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 1:07 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 1:42 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 3:56 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 4:37 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 4:54 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 5:10 pm
RE: Gender - by The Architect Of Fate - August 11, 2023 at 5:16 pm
RE: Gender - by Bucky Ball - August 11, 2023 at 6:54 pm

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