(August 21, 2023 at 4:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(August 21, 2023 at 11:38 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: If things could not have ever been otherwise than what then I'm not sure it makes sense to talk of anything making a difference.
And if freewill doesn't exist control is always illusory, regardless of my beliefs.
Free will is a thing that people have asserted we possess, and, throughout time, accounts for this or that behavior. We've learned that much that was attributed to free will, and even it's traditional "mechanism" are bunk. Control is something a robot can do, and do even better with a control model. Like our body model. There are people who think that our consciousness is, itself, a control model. Those people often do not believe in or assert any free will (quite the opposite).
Whether you me or the housecat have free will says nothing about control. Control is possible, and actual, either way.
Can you maybe elaborate on that part?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
