(August 30, 2023 at 9:06 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:(August 30, 2023 at 8:55 am)Angrboda Wrote: No. Because thinking things are bad doesn't automatically lead to the conclusion that banning them is justified or good. Letting people play the lottery is bad. Letting people take drugs is bad. Letting people bet their life savings on the stock market is bad. But it is a generally recognized principle in democracies that it does more harm in the long run to society to restrict freedom unnecessarily no matter what the supposed good to be achieved by doing so is. The Nazis thought that they were improving society by killing the Jews. You think you're improving society by marginalizing the religious. The religious think they are improving society by marginalizing LGBTQ people. Racists think that they are improving society by trying to get rid of black people.
If you could invent one rule to apply to all these different harms, what would it be?
Well, I guess that's where our disagreement lies. I think pedophiles should be treated differently to non-pedophiles. You don't. I'd make pedophilia illegal but not gay sex, for example, but I guess you wouldn't because that's discrimination.
But yes, the point you make is that everyone believes they're doing and believing the right thing. You too. Doesn't that mean you are now arguing against yourself? It seems to from my perspective. I take it you are a thoroughgoing cultural and moral relativist plus libertarian or anarchist.
It doesn't matter.
I'd prefer laws like the banning of infant circumcision (except for medical reasons). That's a massive form of religious discrimination. I'm ok with that, since I think unnecessary genital mutilation of children does harm to people for no justifying benefit.
And the such like.
We disagree, but I'm ok with that.
No, there's a difference between discriminating people on the basis of beliefs rather than discriminating based upon their actions. So pedophilia isn't relevant.
And yes, I'm doing something similar by wanting acts prohibited, but it is not at all the same. . I believe that permitting liberty when it does no obvious harm to others is a good. Do you agree or not?
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