(September 16, 2023 at 2:38 pm)GrandizerII Wrote: I did respond to that one. Go back a page or two.
I'm sorry, I just don't have the time. I have pages and pages of alerts to go through. I can't get them all. I wish I could. I've missed a lot.
(September 16, 2023 at 2:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: A god or god-like being. Something of that sort. No need to consult verses from other books.
That will work for me as long as you don't make the common error that a god has to be anything other than venerated. Eric Clapton, Kim Jong-Un, Satan, Moses, anything or anyone venerated. Doesn't have to be supernatural, immortal, or creator.
Whoever Proverbs 8:22 is referring to they existed before some portion of God's creation. His works of old, so we will see in the Greek scriptures. It's not a NT.
There is no passage that says "Hey stupid, Jesus is Michael, didn't you know?" If that's what you're looking for. For what it's worth I've shown you the scholarly consensus. Proverbs and John show that Jesus, in some form, obviously not physical because he was only 33 when he died, existed before all things were created. Angles come here in human form. Who was Jesus in heaven?
How many angels can you name? Satan, Gabriel and Michael. Jesus is likely one of those. Who has the voice of an archangel? An archangel. Jesus has the voice of the archangel. Duh. Paul didn't say anything about Michael in that verse, and Jude 1:9 sounds like fanfiction and wasn't written by Paul anyway. So you can't just reason based on the detail you've provided that Michael is the archangel that Paul is speaking of. Nor does Paul equate Jesus to the archangel in 1 Thessalonians 4:16, if you pay close attention to the wording.
(September 16, 2023 at 2:38 pm)GrandizerII Wrote: Have you ever wondered why Revelation did not just say straight out that Michael is Jesus? Seems to me like Michael is meant to be a separate entity from Jesus. And anyway, just because various verses in some of the books of the Bible mention Michael as this significant warrior angel doesn't mean that therefore Jesus is Michael.
Seems to you? Okay. It doesn't seem to me. You a former Christian?
