(September 17, 2023 at 11:44 am)Data Wrote:(September 17, 2023 at 5:09 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: So, there's no real reason as such why you believe in the existence of God. You just do. Is that fair?
No, it isn't fair at all. First of all you're asking me to express to you in a paragraph or so what it's taken me over 30 years to do. And I'm not talking about having an hallucination near death, or seeing Joel Osteen on the tele with a $400 haircut, or a "miraculous" prayer answer by Kenneth Copeland, I'm talking about an intense study of the Bible and other sacred and quasi sacred texts from all the major religions. Except for the book of Mormon or Scientology. I mean, c'mon.
Then, I combed the Superhighway of Misinformation on the World Wide Wasteland for a valid skeptical argument. That's what I'm doing now. There isn't one.
But it's very simple. I trust, that is have faith or believe in Jehovah God because there has never been any, and I mean ANY reason not to. If there were such a reason, just as simply I would reject him.
So, I think what unbelievers want when they ask this question is some metaphysical reason they can justify their disbelief by dismissing it without any scientific methodology or they want some stupid, lazy ass reason to change their mind and believe. All the while hoping they never get it. And confident, ironically, that they won't.
Provide me with (or point me towards) concrete evidence that god exists as more than an abstraction or concept. I'll be willing to make an assessment. Abstractions and conceptions won't cut it, neither will any metaphysical argument.
Until that time I'll continue to consider god(s) as a creation of the human mind.
I may consider believing but don't hold your breath.
My guess is that you'll be unable to provide.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.