(September 18, 2023 at 9:36 am)Data Wrote:(September 17, 2023 at 8:45 pm)brewer Wrote: Provide me with (or point me towards) concrete evidence that god exists as more than an abstraction or concept. I'll be willing to make an assessment. Abstractions and conceptions won't cut it, neither will any metaphysical argument.
Until that time I'll continue to consider god(s) as a creation of the human mind.
I may consider believing but don't hold your breath.
My guess is that you'll be unable to provide.
First of all, that isn't my objective as a Bible believer. That's your responsibility. I don't care whether or not you believe. My objective, part of my responsibility to, in this case specifically to others, is to provide them with accurate information so that they can be pointed in the right direction. The right direction for the potentially interested party isn't an ideological estimation of whether or not the information provided is true. Again, that's your job. Asking me what did it for me isn't the answer you're looking for. Secondly, just because you have the information and believe or trust in it, doesn't dictate the outcome. Put simply, it's like this. You have to figure out whether or not you believe God is true, you trust him, and you want what he offers you.
Does that make sense? If I give you the information and you decide none or some of that isn't of interest to you, I'm happy, because I did my job. Otherwise it's just ideological, sociopolitical nonsense. Wishful thinking and mythology adopted by apostate Jews and Christians. I'm not particularly interested in any of that, but, right now I'm not here for the sake of my obligations as a believer. I'm here for other reasons. Bullshitting with idiots such as myself but on the other side.
You got questions I can give you answers, but don't ask me to convert you to some nonsense. That's another story.
Why would I have any questions for you?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.