Palestine

[Leonardo17]

Live by these rules, die by these bombs, or get the fuck out is a forced displacement, in fairness.  In that hypothetical it would definitely be great if they had somewhere to go, but I'm not really sure I'd personally advocate for palestinian refugees to end up in an islamist shithole.  The defensible solution to apartheid is never "they go somewhere else".

Israel wants to deal with hamas?  Good, and deal with them harshly.  That doesn't extend to the average palestinian, who is a child.

Technically, it’s only a piece of dust.
 

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I mean everyone will fight for their nation. Everyone will protect what they see as “theirs”. We did that in past as well. But with all secular government and resistance movement basically ineffective, I don’t know if Things like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran or even neighboring Arab states can be solution to that.
 
So if they are willing to stay and resist, let them stay and resist. But I don’t agree with Jordan and Egypt simply closing their borders to anyone willing to flee the conflict. This means they are using that population as a weapon of war against Israel. That’s inacceptable. Why?
 
There is about 5 million Syrian + Afghan refugees in Turkey right now. Opposition parties want to send them back but the İslamist Party (working in concert with those Arab Nations) wants to keep them. The Average Turkish Woman has 1,9 children in her lifetime. The Average Arab woman is married at the age 15 and her average number of children is 6.
 
We have no ethnic ties with Arabs or Afghans. Our Cultural / Historical ties with them have mostly been severed about a century ago. But these people are being kept since 10 years or so because the Regime of Bashar Al Asad is butchering them (his own people).
 
So how serious is this? Israel which is a Western more than Middle Eastern power is killing people every day. Middle Eastern powers are not letting these people flee the Gaza Strip or or the West Bank.
 
- Yes there are culturally important places in the whole of that area etc. But my main point is this: The Hydra of Zionism is in fight with the Hydra of Political Islam. Slowly but surely it is also dragging my country into this endless battle:
 
 https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/20/erd...alization/
 
It dragged up Iran some 40 years ago into that conflict. You know, my country was absolutely neutral on this issue until the election of the Political İslamist party in 2003. The simple truth is: I don’t want to be a part of any of this. Let these two monsters fight one another as much as they want to. I do not see where this is implicating me in any way. This is our dominant feeling here. We already have colossal problems of our own.
 
Yet the İdeology of Political İslam is not allowing that. It wants to recruit this nation to its own cause and deplete all of its resources to their twisted ideological cause. Just like East-European countries that were liberated by the Red Army after WWII. There were fake elections. The communists won everywhere. And the whole of Eastern Europe was turned into satellite states around the Soviet Union for 4-5 decades.
 
This is not a good thing. As I said before, People in the Arabian Peninsula did not have anything before they started exporting Oil and Gas. The rest of us, we were rich, civilized, cultivated, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Beirut even Algeria in the 1950’s these were beautiful place to be in. All except Morocco and Turkey were dragged into this conflict through authoritarian regimes or through twisted versions of Islam. And all of them became poverty stricken, authoritarian, corrupt regimes. There isn’t even a true central government in Lebanon right now.
 
I visited many of these places at earlier times so I know what I am talking about. From my perspective, that GD piece of land is already creating too many problems. What I wish is that all of it sinks like Atlantis so all of us can have our peace of mind.
 

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