(October 28, 2023 at 1:52 am)Barry Wrote:(October 28, 2023 at 12:22 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: What does this mean? How are people who don't believe in god irresponsible, but people who believe in god are responsible?I didn’t say atheists are “irresponsible”, I said they don’t want the burden of being “responsible”. Being a believer in God actually means one knows one is “responsible” for one’s actions and decisions. I don’t believe in “once saved always saved.
What is it that believers in god think that non-believers in god do that is so at the same time awful and great that they don't want to stop doing it to become responsible?
Most of the atheists I know do accept responsibility for their actions and decisions. They show up at work, care for their families, admit their mistakes, strive to be better people, and so on.
What they don't do is to fall for the utter nuttiness that errors they make can be expiated with a sorry-my-bad plea to a figment of YOUR imagination. No need to address the error itself or the people harmed by it - just shove the responsibility off on the fictive character who delights in misery.
While Judaism is, overall, no less silly than Catholicism (or any other Christian franchise), there is one tradition they have that makes more sense than confession. For the ten days between Rosh Hashanah (the New Year) and Yom Kippur (the day of atonement), it is customary to ask forgiveness from people you may have wronged. The notion is that it is pointless and arrogant to ask God for forgiveness if you haven't done so with the people you've harmed. Christians would do well to try the same.
Boru
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