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Earning the Vote
RE: Earning the Vote
(November 9, 2023 at 7:00 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: 1)  Why?  It seems that you don't think intelligence matters in terms of voting or protection from manipulation.

2) That's a weird take.  I'm advocating for well constructed citizenship lessons in schools.  How you read that as something as sinister sounding as a re-education camp is bizarre to me.  

3) Lol.

4a) I don't follow your argument here.
4b) Do you not think that if everyone was even more heartless, stupid, immature, and ignorant, then voting would be even worse?

It seems to me that you think that maturity, intelligence, empathy, education, and maturity don't affect people's ability to make informed and sensible voting choices whatsoever, nor to protect themselves against manipulation.  Is that your position?

1) Correct. It’s precisely because I don’t think - based on election results - that intelligence matters all that much in terms of Voting that I wouldn’t set any kind of intelligence bar for voting. But your question was what would I choose over IQ tests as a measure of general intelligence.

2) ‘…a course designed specifically to make good voters’ is fascist code for ‘…teaching people to vote the right way’. I saw you palm that card.

3) *no response needed*

4a) It’s perfectly simple. How can you possibly quantify ‘good’ voters? 
4b)  No.

Quote:It seems to me that you think that maturity, intelligence, empathy, education, and maturity don't affect people's ability to make informed and sensible voting choices whatsoever, nor to protect themselves against manipulation.  Is that your position?

Pretty much. To refute it, you’d had to demonstrate that voters with the listed qualities make informed and sensible voting choices and are subject to manipulation. Given the weight of evidence, I don’t fancy your chances.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
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Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 4:00 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 4:25 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 4:26 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 4:33 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 4:51 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 5:12 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 5:15 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 5:19 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 7, 2023 at 9:14 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by no one - November 7, 2023 at 4:26 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 4:51 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by brewer - November 7, 2023 at 9:09 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 7, 2023 at 5:30 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 5:35 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by no one - November 7, 2023 at 5:47 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 5:50 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 6:26 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by no one - November 7, 2023 at 6:17 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 6:31 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 6:37 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by h4ym4n - November 7, 2023 at 6:44 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 7, 2023 at 6:49 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 7:02 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by arewethereyet - November 7, 2023 at 7:04 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Jackalope - November 7, 2023 at 2:13 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 7, 2023 at 2:26 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Jackalope - November 7, 2023 at 2:34 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 7, 2023 at 3:46 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Jackalope - November 7, 2023 at 5:06 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 7, 2023 at 5:34 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 7, 2023 at 9:15 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 7, 2023 at 11:27 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 7, 2023 at 12:14 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Silver - November 7, 2023 at 12:58 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2023 at 1:09 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 7, 2023 at 3:05 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 7, 2023 at 3:11 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 7, 2023 at 5:31 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Valkyrie - November 7, 2023 at 5:34 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2023 at 7:04 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 7, 2023 at 8:18 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Angrboda - November 7, 2023 at 9:22 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 7, 2023 at 8:10 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Angrboda - November 7, 2023 at 9:24 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Pat Mustard - November 8, 2023 at 2:50 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 8, 2023 at 8:03 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 8, 2023 at 11:24 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 8, 2023 at 1:29 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2023 at 8:31 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 8, 2023 at 9:32 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2023 at 8:33 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 8, 2023 at 3:28 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 8, 2023 at 3:44 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 8, 2023 at 6:27 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Pat Mustard - November 8, 2023 at 2:51 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 8, 2023 at 3:53 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ahriman - November 8, 2023 at 4:06 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Pat Mustard - November 8, 2023 at 2:51 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 8, 2023 at 6:39 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 8, 2023 at 6:59 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 8, 2023 at 7:18 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 8, 2023 at 11:28 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 8, 2023 at 12:09 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 8, 2023 at 12:42 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 3:52 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 9, 2023 at 6:22 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 6:31 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 9, 2023 at 6:43 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 8, 2023 at 11:57 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 8, 2023 at 12:07 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by arewethereyet - November 8, 2023 at 12:11 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 8, 2023 at 12:29 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2023 at 12:35 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 8, 2023 at 12:45 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2023 at 12:47 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2023 at 12:51 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 8, 2023 at 1:07 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Angrboda - November 8, 2023 at 1:31 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Mister Agenda - November 8, 2023 at 1:33 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2023 at 1:41 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Angrboda - November 8, 2023 at 1:49 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 8, 2023 at 2:01 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Pat Mustard - November 8, 2023 at 1:50 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 8, 2023 at 2:07 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2023 at 2:28 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2023 at 7:18 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 9, 2023 at 9:33 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 6:49 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 9, 2023 at 6:54 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 7:00 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 9, 2023 at 11:49 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by no one - November 9, 2023 at 7:21 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 7:29 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 9, 2023 at 10:08 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by no one - November 9, 2023 at 9:24 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 9:30 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by arewethereyet - November 9, 2023 at 9:53 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 10:41 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 9, 2023 at 11:02 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 11:05 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 9, 2023 at 11:24 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 11:34 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 9, 2023 at 11:54 am
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 12:13 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Ravenshire - November 9, 2023 at 12:34 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by Thumpalumpacus - November 9, 2023 at 4:06 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 12:06 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 9, 2023 at 1:06 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 9, 2023 at 12:39 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 9, 2023 at 12:44 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 9, 2023 at 12:47 pm
RE: Earning the Vote - by The Architect Of Fate - November 9, 2023 at 12:52 pm

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