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Hello to all
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RE: Hello to all
(November 28, 2023 at 11:14 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(November 28, 2023 at 10:34 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: Whats the answer??

What makes a thing important - other than whats just going on in my own head - or a bunch of peoples heads??

(November 28, 2023 at 10:35 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: Do you have an answer???
...  It's an extrinsic value related to the belief or existence of gods, instead....

Im going to go with that one.  heres a stream of consciousness guess ......

Im going to give this impossible question a go ...

I'll put my athiest hat on ...
Material universe only ...
Here, i cannot see how anything is important.
All i see is matter moving about with other matter.
Importance, value and meaning seem to just all be in my brain - but they dont really really matter - not more than my sayso.  And who should care about that??
The only way i can make something important is to assign value to a thing.
But i cannot see why anything should be valueable outside my own experience and sayso.  And i cant see why my own experience and sayso should matter.
Thinking something matters, or is valueable or is important - is all in my head and carries no more weight than that.
Others might find a consensus that a thing is important - but a cluster of material thinking a thing matters doesn't mean anything either.
Why should i care more about a mouse than a lamp.
???

Religious hat
Material universe and spiritual universe ...
You can have a concept of moving more towards reality or further from reality.  
You can say the material universe is less real than the spiritual.
You can say the material universe is subject to the higher reality of the spiritual.
So there really is a spiritual thing called:  Love, goodness, beauty, truth, mind, freewill .... and so on.
In that universe you would see these items as you "see" gravity operating.  
If you open to the idea of god - you can say there is a higher reality - more "real" i.e. closer to god. Spiritual realities project out of god - attributes. god is projecting parts of himself unpersonalised.
the end

you need a higher reality to bolt the material one onto.  Ive basically described a larger spiritual universe that contains the material one, that instead of physical forces, has spiritual realities.  with the spiritual realities - life in the physical universe can have meaning moreso than our sayso.

thats a rolling attempt.  the obvious thing to say is - ok, what then.  

We can make this material universe meaningful by saying there really is a spiritual universe with spiritual realities - which the material is subject to.  spiritual realities are not sustained in their own right - they are projections of god.

?????????????

Im going to stop there ... thats a guess at how to make it work??

@SimpleCaveman Is this theology??
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Messages In This Thread
Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 20, 2023 at 7:07 pm
RE: Hello to all - by no one - November 20, 2023 at 7:08 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 20, 2023 at 7:10 pm
RE: Hello to all - by arewethereyet - November 20, 2023 at 7:10 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 21, 2023 at 10:07 am
RE: Hello to all - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 20, 2023 at 7:32 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 21, 2023 at 10:04 am
RE: Hello to all - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 21, 2023 at 11:20 am
RE: Hello to all - by brewer - November 20, 2023 at 10:02 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 21, 2023 at 10:08 am
RE: Hello to all - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 22, 2023 at 8:30 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Confused-by-christianity - November 21, 2023 at 11:14 am
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 21, 2023 at 2:54 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Confused-by-christianity - November 22, 2023 at 1:06 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Confused-by-christianity - November 23, 2023 at 8:26 am
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 24, 2023 at 10:50 am
RE: Hello to all - by Confused-by-christianity - November 27, 2023 at 9:05 am
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 27, 2023 at 5:17 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2023 at 1:27 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 21, 2023 at 2:41 pm
RE: Hello to all - by pocaracas - November 21, 2023 at 3:32 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 22, 2023 at 10:14 am
RE: Hello to all - by pocaracas - November 24, 2023 at 11:17 am
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 22, 2023 at 10:42 am
RE: Hello to all - by Thumpalumpacus - November 21, 2023 at 8:58 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 22, 2023 at 10:35 am
RE: Hello to all - by Fireball - November 22, 2023 at 12:34 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 22, 2023 at 5:52 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Harry Haller - November 22, 2023 at 8:45 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 23, 2023 at 12:59 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Harry Haller - November 25, 2023 at 4:41 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 27, 2023 at 5:08 pm
RE: Hello to all - by The Valkyrie - November 22, 2023 at 9:01 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 23, 2023 at 12:57 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Gwaithmir - November 23, 2023 at 8:19 am
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 24, 2023 at 10:22 am
RE: Hello to all - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 24, 2023 at 11:24 am
RE: Hello to all - by pocaracas - November 24, 2023 at 6:04 pm
RE: Hello to all - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 24, 2023 at 11:14 pm
RE: Hello to all - by pocaracas - November 25, 2023 at 3:36 am
RE: Hello to all - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 25, 2023 at 6:32 am
RE: Hello to all - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 25, 2023 at 10:14 am
RE: Hello to all - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2023 at 11:14 am
RE: Hello to all - by Confused-by-christianity - November 28, 2023 at 11:31 am
RE: Hello to all - by pocaracas - November 28, 2023 at 1:00 pm
RE: Hello to all - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2023 at 1:23 pm
RE: Hello to all - by arewethereyet - November 28, 2023 at 3:06 pm
RE: Hello to all - by HappySkeptic - November 28, 2023 at 7:57 pm
RE: Hello to all - by SimpleCaveman - November 29, 2023 at 3:22 pm

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