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Abortion and Population
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RE: Abortion and Population
(December 11, 2023 at 10:11 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: Very interesting question. I can think of a number of reasons for population growth to be good. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that unimpeded growth is good.

Here are my initial thoughts
  • A declining population isn’t good, just from a practical standpoint. Without new people, lots of business start to shut down. Baby products is an obvious one, but also schools, colleges and universities. Then, we don’t have enough people in the workforce. (We already are experiencing that) We don’t have enough trade workers to keep things running, doctors, lawyers (okay, less of them is fine), teachers, admin assistants, etc. People will consolidate and make do. Maybe we’ll eventually reset at a certain level, but we could also go out with a whimper.
  • If we want to achieve great things, then we need new people, new ideas, new energy. I want us to go to the moon, Mars and beyond. To do that we need to have people to settle those places. We also need new people to invent new things. We have problems, like people not having enough to sustain themselves. New people with new ideas can help with that.
A steady population could be good, it seems. Unfortunately, our current path isn’t going this way.

Can you think of any other reasons?

A declining population really isn't a problem as long as the global population continues to climb. Countries with declining populations, which are preety much only industrially advanced nations, can easily make up the numbers through immigration. Some countries, like Japan and the USA don't like that solution, but it isn't the fault of declining population if they choose to shoot themselves in the foot to keep foreigners out. Not to mention, we can always incentivise having more babies if we want to.

It is not possible in the foreseeable future to ship any significant portion of our population off to other planets, even the nearest ones. There's no conceivable future in which the expense of space travel isn't a far greater restriction than having enough people to send.

We already have over 8 billion people to invent new things, at some point there are going to be diminishing returns. The most conservative UN projection has global population continuing to increase until at least 2050. And again, falling birth rates due to factors under our control is something we obviously can control.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 9, 2023 at 1:15 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Pat Mustard - December 9, 2023 at 1:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by brewer - December 9, 2023 at 1:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 11, 2023 at 4:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 9, 2023 at 1:30 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2023 at 1:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 9, 2023 at 2:39 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 9, 2023 at 2:41 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 9, 2023 at 2:53 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 9, 2023 at 3:06 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 9, 2023 at 3:11 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 9, 2023 at 3:36 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 9, 2023 at 3:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 9, 2023 at 3:41 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 9, 2023 at 3:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 9, 2023 at 3:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by brewer - December 9, 2023 at 6:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Pat Mustard - December 12, 2023 at 3:19 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by no one - December 9, 2023 at 3:15 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 9, 2023 at 3:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 9, 2023 at 3:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 9, 2023 at 5:57 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 9, 2023 at 3:47 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 9, 2023 at 5:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Dmitry1983 - December 10, 2023 at 1:10 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 10, 2023 at 1:55 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Dmitry1983 - December 10, 2023 at 5:37 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 10, 2023 at 5:39 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Dmitry1983 - December 10, 2023 at 5:46 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 10, 2023 at 5:54 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 10, 2023 at 10:09 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 10, 2023 at 6:36 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 10, 2023 at 9:57 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Deesse23 - December 10, 2023 at 10:39 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ravenshire - December 10, 2023 at 4:40 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 10, 2023 at 4:51 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Dmitry1983 - December 10, 2023 at 5:39 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 10, 2023 at 9:49 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Deesse23 - December 10, 2023 at 10:42 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 9, 2023 at 6:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Magic Pudding. - December 10, 2023 at 3:51 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 10, 2023 at 6:30 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 10, 2023 at 6:50 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Rev. Rye - December 11, 2023 at 9:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 11, 2023 at 9:58 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 11, 2023 at 11:10 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2023 at 11:26 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 11:38 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2023 at 12:21 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Rev. Rye - December 12, 2023 at 3:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 3:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by no one - December 10, 2023 at 6:44 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Jackalope - December 10, 2023 at 9:50 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by no one - December 10, 2023 at 10:51 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 11, 2023 at 8:36 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 11, 2023 at 8:44 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 11, 2023 at 8:58 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 11, 2023 at 10:37 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 11, 2023 at 10:44 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 11, 2023 at 11:41 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 11, 2023 at 12:26 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Fake Messiah - December 11, 2023 at 1:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 11, 2023 at 8:46 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2023 at 11:34 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 11, 2023 at 12:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by no one - December 11, 2023 at 2:33 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 11, 2023 at 2:39 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 11, 2023 at 3:14 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 11, 2023 at 3:18 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 11, 2023 at 4:20 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by no one - December 11, 2023 at 4:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 11, 2023 at 4:49 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Mister Agenda - December 11, 2023 at 5:54 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 11, 2023 at 9:38 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2023 at 11:21 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 12, 2023 at 12:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 12, 2023 at 6:16 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 12, 2023 at 10:07 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 11, 2023 at 9:41 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 11, 2023 at 9:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by brewer - December 12, 2023 at 12:33 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 12, 2023 at 5:53 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Pat Mustard - December 18, 2023 at 4:00 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by SimpleCaveman - December 11, 2023 at 10:11 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Mister Agenda - December 12, 2023 at 11:39 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Rev. Rye - December 11, 2023 at 10:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 11, 2023 at 11:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 11, 2023 at 11:27 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Rev. Rye - December 11, 2023 at 11:29 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2023 at 12:35 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 11:43 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 12, 2023 at 11:50 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 11:57 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2023 at 12:08 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 12:16 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2023 at 1:05 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 1:10 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2023 at 3:51 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 12, 2023 at 12:09 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2023 at 12:14 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 12, 2023 at 12:08 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 12, 2023 at 3:58 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ravenshire - December 14, 2023 at 4:14 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 14, 2023 at 4:46 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 14, 2023 at 5:59 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Rev. Rye - December 12, 2023 at 4:01 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 12, 2023 at 4:06 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 12, 2023 at 4:24 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 12, 2023 at 4:33 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 13, 2023 at 12:35 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Astreja - December 13, 2023 at 2:39 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 5:41 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Astreja - December 13, 2023 at 4:43 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 7:00 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 13, 2023 at 7:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Astreja - December 14, 2023 at 3:37 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 14, 2023 at 5:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by arewethereyet - December 14, 2023 at 5:24 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Astreja - December 14, 2023 at 5:41 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 14, 2023 at 6:30 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 13, 2023 at 9:08 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 9:53 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 13, 2023 at 10:21 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 10:53 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 13, 2023 at 12:02 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 12:12 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2023 at 12:25 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 12:37 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2023 at 12:41 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 12:55 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2023 at 1:13 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 4:33 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2023 at 5:08 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Ahriman - December 13, 2023 at 6:57 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 13, 2023 at 7:39 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Thumpalumpacus - December 13, 2023 at 12:59 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 13, 2023 at 12:38 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 13, 2023 at 12:42 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 13, 2023 at 12:44 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Silver - December 13, 2023 at 4:38 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by no one - December 14, 2023 at 6:13 am
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 14, 2023 at 6:05 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by The Grand Nudger - December 14, 2023 at 8:35 pm
RE: Abortion and Population - by Astreja - December 15, 2023 at 12:07 am

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