(December 23, 2011 at 6:45 am)power Wrote: Why is special creation not viable?
It remains unproven.
Quote:First, no one looks at the world objectively, and without bias. We are subjective beings with a limited sphere of awareness and knowledge base. You yourself have already demonstrated your bias by stating that you assume there will be a naturalistic explanation.
Did I say there would be a naturalistic explanation? No. I said there would have to be a plausible alternative that disproves evolution. Are you admitting that the only plausible way is naturalistic? If you've been following the conversation, it certainly seems like it.
Things, ideas, theories, evidence, etc, can all be looked at from a standpoint of objectivity, and one reason no evidence that supports a scientific theory is considered true until an extensive peer review, is to filter out the biases. That's how science works.

Quote:You are also demonstrating your faith here because there is no hard evidence proving macro evolution. Feel free to bring some in at any time.
sure:
http://io9.com/5867041/songbirds-caught-...te-species
I know they hurt your feelings with their facts, and all, but:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Quote:Thirdly, none of this has anything to do with why God creating the Universe would be impossible
If you say so, but it also doesn't have anything to do with why gods creating the universe would be plausible.
Quote:Feel free to refute any of my arguments at any time. Until then, I demonstratably know more about the subject than you do.
You know a bunch of circular ideas, unsubstantiated claims. You're not able to know much of anything important or useful because your brain is clogged. You're a victim, it's okay. Some people never come back from it.
Quote:You came to me, I didn't come to you. No one is forcing you to post in my thread. If you don't want to debate, you don't have to post here.
You came here, as most YECs do, asking for evidence. I pointed you to some, which you glanced over, and said that you knew everything and it was all lies that are out to get your biblical, and special truths. You're really only interested in your own opinions.
Quote:I also welcome insults, so please feel free to use them liberally. I know people who are on the fence probably read these forums, and I think your negative attitude is a great ambassador for atheism.
I wouldn't want anyone to fall off on the atheist side of the fence without being knocked off by the abhorrent, repulsive, arrogant, idiotic, and harmful religion on the other side of the fence. I got here by reading that disgusting book you call the word of god. I got here through thinking, instead of murdering my thoughts with beliefs.
Quote:The question is, what do you think about it?
I think it's the easiest form of mind control. I think it's folie a plusieurs, and a disease passed on from parent to child. I think it's worked for the pocket books of so many, for so long, that it's the most popular, efficient, and basic way to scam people out of money. It's also a valuable political tool.
Glad you asked!
Quote:Are you saying that 90 percent of the article isn't spent criticizing creationists?
Any time creationist's arguments are torn to shreds by facts and evidence, they call it "attacking", or "criticism", taking it so personally, becoming so defensive, that someone with a basic knowledge of psychiatry might conclude that their threatened by it.
Creationists put out a theory, theory gets destroyed, and they can't put on their big boy skivies, and deal with it. Humility is just a word to christians, apparently.
Quote:What does that disprove? The evidence is still the same. This is their explanation:
"Mr. Horner suggested that the size of the bone and the depth of its entombment accounted for the unusual preservation of the tissues. Thick bones, he said, afford interior matter more protection from environmental degradation. Another factor was that this particular dinosaur was buried in a virtually oxygen-free setting very soon after death. The depth may also have insulated it over time."
Which explains exactly zero.
I can't find where it says god did it anywhere in all that. Goddidit explains zero, this explains the many rational ways that this phenomenon could be explained.
Quote:This is exactly the kind of evidence the theory of evolution is based on. Nothing has changed..you have soft tissue from a 65 million year old fossil and speculation as to how it survived, and that's it. If you think that is science its no wonder you believe evolution is true.
Nearly all scientific facts were once speculation and theory. I'm sure when they figure it out it won't be that the dinosaur is less than 65 million years old. It certainly won't be that the dinosaur is less than 10,000 years old, or that god did it.
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