Does the Quran support Theocracy?

[The Grand Nudger]

I do not disagree with any of this. 

If you like reading about the Rover Perseverance for instance. I remember how exited I was when I was reading (/hearing /seeing) about the rover pathfinder back in the 90’s. It takes about 8 minute for those robots to get whatever radio command signal is issued from earth. And it’s mainly based on a Soviet Lunar Rover Lunokhood that goes back to the 70’s. And still, they are now working with Elon Musk-like companies to send a robot-rocket to Mars, collect the specimens that are currently being collected by Perseverance, Put it on Martian orbit, ship it back to earth and then analyze it, to see if by any chance life has started on Mars a few billion years ago, at the same time as Earth.
 
That alone is such a love story. As you put it, it’s everything mysticism isn’t. But as I said, true mysticism usually acknowledges this “reality” about science. When Sadhguru was asked if it was karma (destiny) that a man was currently on a wheelchair, he said “No, the reason for that is probably that he didn’t get a polio vaccine when he was a child”. The word “Karma” actually means “action”. By the way Sadh guru has a brain surgery last month or so. He didn’t try to heal it through bio energies and/or prayer for instance.
 
   But don’t get me wrong, The Church of Religious science (for instance) says that “This world is not real, only God is real, so what matters is what you believe in, not the physical medicine”. There was a religious group in the US who simply refuse to take medicine and try to heal through prayer. This is not it. But we sort of believe in things like playing therapeutic music to the sick, sending Reiki energy to the sick, praying on behalf of the sick, praying together with the sick or making visualizations about the sick can and does contribute to their healing. There was even a proposition, before the invasion of Iraq by George W. Bush, to send advanced meditators to the Middle East, to try to raise the energy level of this geography (and therefore promote peace in the region).
 
   Not everyone agrees with this type of belief in our current technology-oriented civilization. But tell me: What did the US achieve militarily in the Middle-East through physical intervention?
 
- So I believe that Egyptians were like quite advanced in these things. And there are parallels to that at least in Ancient India. The Vedas are also conveying some very intriguing stories (like the stories of Homer) about Kings and Rulers who lived in a world in which everything we see as “supernatural” was actual reality. Like the story of King Arthur for Instance.
 
All of this is to say that the Egyptians were not just some farmer civilization on the shore of the Nile. In my view, they knew about everything we now see as “Alternative medicine” and more. They had no colonoscopy but they could magnetize you to try to understand your ailment. Like the doctors of Ancient Greece, with the only difference that these guys were real.
 
Besides, they believed in Maat. Which is the principle of justice. The Pharaoh’s main purpose was to make the spirit of Maat rule over the entire country.
 
So all those ruins and the Sphinx for instance are not able to talk. So I am sort of trying to talk for them and give them a voice.
 
I mean none of these people had thoughts like “Oh we are so pathetically primitive today, why don’t we kill ourselves and reincarnate in a few millennia”. Each and every one of them thought that they were the most advanced state of mankind (which they were in that time), and considered themselves quite lucky of being whoever they were back in those days.
 
So back to our subject: The challenges we are facing now are huge. Mr Michio Kaku was one enumerating the powers humanity had acquired (citing an old Japanese deity for each one of them). Well, it doesn’t mean anything if we have all those powers and more if we go extinct in few decades does it?
 
My proposal is that maybe spirituality is also trying to teach of something. What if Sadhguru is right and we are like this infant who is sitting on the floor with a very sharp knife in its hand?
 
I think there are many elements about us that is pointing out to the fact that yes, indeed, this might be the case and that we might be at a point in which we have to take this evolutionary step.
 
And as I said: You don’t need to adhere to any religious group or dogma to do that. In fact, philosophy (ordinary philosophy) and some amount of intellectualism is able to get you there too. I prefer spirituality, because I see it as letting go of your childhood bicycle and stepping into a real automobile.
 
The universality of this is that God being a phenomenon present in each and every one of us, anybody can take this leap if he or she desires to do so. And in fact, the energies of our times are quite supportive of that too.
 
So with this confidence in me I see no problem in calling out the entirely dogmatic false beliefs that are based on fake spirituality for what they are. My philosophy teacher was referring to this as “Human stupidity”.
 
Example: Last day I saw this guy who was trying to feed stray dogs with some pieces of chicken he had purchased in some place. I told him in a rather friendly manner they he could be infected with salmonella by handling raw meat in that way and the reason why the stray dog was not eating his precious gifts was that it was bad for the dog, That he had to cook the meat first, separate the bones so that the broken bones would not cause injuries in the animal’s digestive system.
 
- He simply ignored me. (He was in this belief system in which he was simply being pious by giving food to those poor beings and I was too much of a scientific minded person to understand the good he was trying to do there). I related this story for anyone is stereotyping Texans: Please come and see human behavior happening in this region first before judging anyone on that.
 
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In my view: Religion and spirituality has been this safe haven for human stupidity. Yet in today’s world, and this is going to increase, it’s anything but that. My feeling is a feeling of someone who is taking this inner journey and who is getting results on a personal and even social level and this is like a good thing in my life and I do have the intention to pursue this even further.
 
And No: “The Dao that is spoken of is not the true Dao”. So not everyone who is claiming to be on a spiritual path is truly on a spiritual path.
 
Example: I don’t believe in hell. But the guy I mentioned above, I really hope there is hell and that he burns in it for what he did (and is probably still doing as we speak).

"True" mysticism, as you've consistently employed it, has only ever been a weasel word for all of the ways that -you- think mysticism as practiced is false.   My guy...I think you're probably an atheist dealing with that last little step........shhhh, don't tell "allah".

Sure, sure, you're dissatisfied with what a bunch of witchdoctors told you was "atheist ideology" - but those guys are shameless liars, as you know. I'm not a huge fan of the bullshit they rail against either.... You let this out every now and again, when you insist that atheists have it more right than your islamist fellow travelers. Now, that may not be true. Maybe there really is some tribal arab god out there pouring lead up peoples assholes....but you don't think so. You, according to you, think we have it more right than magic book.

Good for you...or not...depending on the above. The whole bit would be resolved easily for you, had you not clearly been indoctrinated into islamism by whomever - because what you call "spirituality" we call "humanism" - no ghosts need apply.

As for that last bit. Just stop. Just because you don't like what other people describe as their spiritual, doesn't mean that they aren't on a spiritual path. You're the one that's wrong here, demonstrably and self evidently wrong - with you...yourself...as an example...even in the limited context of your own traditions. When I generously apply the islamist batshit translator my life's experiences have granted me I see that you first words in that post are essentially evergreen. That you and I probably agree on every bit of meaningful content. The only difference is that I'm far past the point were I believe that the superstitions I was raised with are the answer, or any answer...to the problems those things have never resolved.

So go. Go pray. Try to spirit yourself a fucking solution...and when you inevitably realize that this doesn't work..both me and the problems in question will still be here, and all you'll have done is waste time you could have spent trying (and likely failing) to solve them by credible means. Multiply that by thousands of years and you'll have the whole story of abrahamism.... or.... at least, the whole story worth telling.