(April 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:
If you or someone else decides to go spiritual, there is some potential benefit there. And that’s what I am about here. That’s my area of interest.
What is the benefit?
(April 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:
My position as a deist is that there is value in most of the “Great Teachings” of this world. I believe that your experience with Abrahamic Religion has been rather superficial.
But if the subject is “there is value in these great teachings and in medication”, you need to also state what that value is, what it has done for you so far and maybe give a few examples from real world events.
(April 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote:
But I won’t argue with you on the issue of prayer. It happened in Germany. A group of Reiki practitioners wanted to help a patient in the hospital. The Doctor just didn’t let them in so they had to send it from distance.
I looked up reiki
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/reiki
It seems to be what is called therapeutic touch in the USA.
What the therapeutic touch guy does is just hover his hands over the body or something of the patient. I have seen some of them do that to a bottle of blood.
Some nurses take courses on therapeutic touch. In other words, they pay money to become experts.
At the hospital, the patient can ask for a nurse to do TT. The patient pays for it.
This is a bit like asking a priest to come and bless your house. He comes and sprinkles water and does some prayer and you pay for it either with money, time, respect.
But what they do, is it really effective?
How can we figure out if some works or not?
https://edzardernst.com/2015/02/reiki-no...on-stilts/
Look at the text that says:
“It reminded me of the excellent study by 9-year-old Emily Rosa, later repeated more robustly, that showed that therapeutic touch practitioners could not tell when they had their hands over the patient’s hand.”
Of course, the believers in such claims are going to make excuses:
1. In the old days, some people thought the Earth was flat. Now we believe that it spheroid.
2. In the old days, it was said that heavier than air flight is impossible.
3. In the old days, it was believed that atoms are indivisible.
4. In the old days, it was believed that the universe was in a steady state.
Those fall into the category of Science gets updated. There are things we don’t know yet.
The believer claims that we don’t know yet how the prayer of the priest works, we don’t know yet how astrology works, we don’t know yet how homeopath and reiki works.
Another set of excuses:
1. You did not have enough faith. Your lack of faith interrupted the technique.
2. Testing it negates the effects of X.
3. The test was insufficient or improperly done or conditions were not right.
The above set blames the tester or claims that the claim is magically untestable.