The Historical Jesus

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

"6. We can drop it, if that makes it easier for you to avoid the point." - Boru

Well that's nice because I was beginning to wonder what kind of idiot would compare a work of self-professed fiction to the biography of 4 different historians.

Also I fully understood your point, but there's just one problem that I have with it. Can you explain to me how the over-abundance of copies of Moby Dick wouldn't make it harder for someone to produce an altered version and pass it off as the original?

5. Actually, yes I am impressed, but my question to you then is that if everything that you've said is true, why then do the Gospels agree on so much if they weren't collected by historians who were in fact interviewing eye-witnesses?

2. Well it wouldn't be 'minor' in the context of Judaism, I can agree with you on that. However, the larger point remains the same, Jesus was put on trial and, as the scriptures foretold, "He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; he was brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth." this prophecy is now confirmed as being true, not just by the authors of the Gospel, but also by the biggest opponents to Jesus' ministry.
      Jesus was hung on a tree, and it was very close to Passover. And whose to say that a single day didn't pass before Jesus said, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani"?


As it is written, "Whereas many have undertaken to write a narrative of those things which are most surely believed among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word, it seemed good to me also, having accurately investigated all things from the very beginning, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, that you might know the certainty of the things which you have been told."

6. No, you clearly DON’T get the point, so I’ll try again: the number of extant copies of a work - any work - has nothing to do with the historical accuracy of that work.. Btw, the Synoptics are NOT biographies.

5. The Gospels have common points because the authors were telling the same story. There are no eyewitnesses to Odin hanging himself from Yggdrasil, but it’s in all the fables about him. Eyewitnesses are no necessary to the propagation of a myth.

2. You may need to read the story again. Jesus wasn’t hung on a tree, he wasn’t even nailed to a tree. And one of the points the Gospels agree on is that Jesus was tried, crucified, and died all on the same day.

Boru