RE: Attention Theists! Present your best argument for the existence of God!
December 27, 2011 at 3:26 am
(December 26, 2011 at 10:01 am)amkerman Wrote: It is impossible to be confident that our experience of reality is accurate without being confident that framework from which we observe reality is accurate.
We do not observe reality from a framework, rather, we observe distinct aspects of reality and then use a framework post-observation to attempt to create a coherent picture of reality.
Quote:We observe reality from the framework of consciousness.
Consciousness is NOT a framework, all frameworks are constructs designed to aid in understanding, be they evolved frameworks tuned by natural selection (such as our intuitions) or more abstract frameworks (like mathematics) that are designed in response to various challenges.
Quote:Consciousness then must exist as real apart from our subjective experience of it.
Let's forget for a second that you were wrong about the first two claims... How the hell do you get from "we observe reality from the framework of consciousness" to "consciousness must exist as real apart from our subjective experience"?
Complete non sequitur in addition to bunk premises... Logic fail.
Quote:The only things we are confident exist apart from our subjective experiences of them are universal forces.
Are you telling me you have objective experiences of universal forces? You do realise that is an oxymoron don't you? There is no such thing as an "objective experience".
Quote:Consciousness then is a universal force.
No, it isn't. Can you demonstrate a single instance of consciousness outside of a brain?
Quote:It is illogical to believe reality is contrary to scientific observation because we have not scientifically observed that to be the case.
Look, just stop pretending you're intelligent, you are not, you can't even string together a coherent sentence.
Quote:Therefore it is illogical to believe consciousness is not a universal force.
Worst.Argument.EVER.
Quote:All universal forces are experienced through consciousness
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound. The widely accepted answer is no.
Three monks looking at a flag in the wind.
Monk 1. The flag moves.
Monk 2. No. The wind moves, and the wind moves the flag.
Monk 3. No. Your mind moves them both.
(motion is a paradox. It's really quite interesting.)
Consciousness is then required to experience gravity. It is a primary function of the universe whereas all physical forces are secondary. Consciousness is responsible for everything that has been created in the universe, and the universe itself.
*Sigh*
1. Motion is not a paradox.
2. Of course consciousness is required to experience gravity, consciousness is necessary for ALL experience.
3. You have roughly the same IQ as some stale bread.
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