(May 26, 2024 at 8:44 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(May 26, 2024 at 7:38 am)h311inac311 Wrote: You're right Fake Messiah because I'm not telling women what to wear or what job to choose. I'm in favor of freedom and letting women choose whichever career they want.
You are just running in circles or, in internet slang, trolling. At one point you are saying that you want equality for women and men and that biology plays no part, but then you claim how there is big difference between men and women in biology - but if you say that it doesn't matter you are again saying nothing. You are just luring people into pointless conversations where they don't know what they are talking about.
Needless to say that any conversation with you is pointless, so I don't plan to waste my time on you.
(June 22, 2024 at 10:38 am)Pat Mustard Wrote:(June 21, 2024 at 6:05 pm)h311inac311 Wrote: I was asking a clarifying question because they straw-manned my position first.
That's why I also went on to clarify what I believe with the last 4 sentences.
You strawmanned another poster because you couldn't argue against their position, plain and simple.
But then I expect no better from a tryhard christian apologist who doesn't understand his own religion.
PS Fake Messiah didn't strawman you, unless you think accurately describing your opponents positions to be a form of strawmanning.
So what I have is what I would like to refer to as a balanced position.
1. Simply put I believe that differences exist between men and women.
Do you disagree with this first statement?
2. The differences between men and women are often over-estimated by men.
Just because the differences are there that doesn't mean that they have to be fundamental or great. We are far more similar than we are different.
3. These differences shouldn't be used as a basis for un-fair treatment.
To re-iterate; I believe that men and women should be treated fairly before the law and should have the freedom to choose any career path which they see fit. It's not for me to decide what a woman should or shouldn't do. But I do have an idea for what I think will make her happiest which is why I shared Proverbs 31.
Never did I insist that this Proverbs 31 should be codified as law, nor did I say that the only way for a woman to earn respect is to do all of the things which were listed.
I think that this whole issue is just a problem of magnitude, and because I'm not fitting neatly into a box; Boru has described my views as "hypocritical" and Fake Messiah thinks I'm just trolling.
I will admit however that my first response to this went a bit too far onto the straw-man side. I wasn't being totally fair to what they were saying, but it was getting to a point where I almost felt like they weren't even listening to me anymore so I got pretty aggressive with how far I went; over-simplifying what I thought their arguments were.
So to some extent you were right to call me out for straw-manning them, but I still fell as though I went second in that regard.