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Democrat Conspiracy
RE: Democrat Conspiracy
(July 19, 2024 at 6:38 pm)Lek Wrote: What do you all know about me that makes you hate me?  

That strikes me as a straw man fallacy. 

Quote:Is it hateful to want legal immigration? If so, all of Congress hates brown and black people because they made the immigration laws which I support.
 That strikes me as a second straw man fallacy. 

Wanting to reduce illegal immigration, and control immigration need not involve demonising or persecuting people to whom that process is likely beyond reach, and so enter the country illegally. Even if you decide ultimately not to let someone stay, there is no need to persecute them, or demonise them with bigoted rhetoric, as of course Trump does, nor indeed is there any need to punish them beyond not letting them stay. Wouldn't you do anything to lift those you love out of crushing poverty?

You are citing something many might agree with, at least in principle, but you're mendaciously pretending this is their main objection, when it is more likely they object to how Trump portrays and treats illegal immigrants. 

Parenthetically, if your only objection is that they have broken the law, then your hero worship of Trump is pretty ironic, given his contempt for the law, and his oath to uphold the constitution. Or do your objections go further perhaps, in which case why mislead with straw men like this?
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Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 7:43 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 14, 2024 at 7:48 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 7:51 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 14, 2024 at 7:50 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 7:51 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 14, 2024 at 7:53 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 14, 2024 at 7:55 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 7:56 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 14, 2024 at 9:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 8:01 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ravenshire - July 14, 2024 at 8:20 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 8:30 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ravenshire - July 14, 2024 at 9:09 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Valkyrie - July 14, 2024 at 9:12 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 8:28 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 14, 2024 at 8:31 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 14, 2024 at 11:52 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - August 1, 2024 at 12:37 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 8:30 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Valkyrie - July 14, 2024 at 8:36 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 14, 2024 at 8:39 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 8:42 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 14, 2024 at 8:58 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Valkyrie - July 14, 2024 at 8:59 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 14, 2024 at 9:01 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 16, 2024 at 3:46 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ravenshire - July 16, 2024 at 7:07 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 8:44 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Mister Agenda - July 15, 2024 at 12:49 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 14, 2024 at 8:56 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 9:04 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 14, 2024 at 9:11 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 15, 2024 at 5:00 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 15, 2024 at 12:20 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 9:08 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ravenshire - July 14, 2024 at 9:11 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Belacqua - July 14, 2024 at 9:10 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 14, 2024 at 9:16 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 9:31 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 14, 2024 at 9:34 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 11:11 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 14, 2024 at 9:46 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2024 at 11:25 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by AFTT47 - July 15, 2024 at 12:34 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 15, 2024 at 9:36 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Valkyrie - July 14, 2024 at 10:09 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Rev. Rye - July 14, 2024 at 11:13 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Belacqua - July 15, 2024 at 12:21 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 15, 2024 at 12:39 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2024 at 12:27 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 15, 2024 at 1:24 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2024 at 9:42 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 15, 2024 at 11:28 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2024 at 12:43 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2024 at 1:19 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 15, 2024 at 1:25 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Jackalope - July 15, 2024 at 2:50 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Pat Mustard - July 15, 2024 at 4:46 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by no one - July 15, 2024 at 7:33 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 15, 2024 at 7:39 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 16, 2024 at 3:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 17, 2024 at 6:15 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 17, 2024 at 6:34 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Angrboda - July 17, 2024 at 6:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Valkyrie - July 17, 2024 at 6:46 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 17, 2024 at 8:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 17, 2024 at 10:10 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 17, 2024 at 10:35 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Deesse23 - July 18, 2024 at 2:25 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 18, 2024 at 6:16 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ravenshire - July 17, 2024 at 6:52 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 19, 2024 at 12:45 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Pat Mustard - July 20, 2024 at 12:58 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2024 at 6:29 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 17, 2024 at 8:27 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 17, 2024 at 8:52 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 17, 2024 at 9:18 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 17, 2024 at 9:39 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 17, 2024 at 9:41 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 17, 2024 at 9:47 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 17, 2024 at 11:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 18, 2024 at 2:58 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2024 at 12:44 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Angrboda - July 18, 2024 at 12:49 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Deesse23 - July 18, 2024 at 2:58 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 19, 2024 at 12:49 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 19, 2024 at 4:17 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 19, 2024 at 5:12 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 17, 2024 at 9:31 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 18, 2024 at 2:49 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 19, 2024 at 12:57 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 12:22 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 18, 2024 at 12:30 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2024 at 12:58 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 18, 2024 at 1:08 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 18, 2024 at 1:22 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 18, 2024 at 2:40 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 4:05 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 18, 2024 at 4:18 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 18, 2024 at 5:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 18, 2024 at 4:49 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Angrboda - July 18, 2024 at 4:10 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 4:27 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 18, 2024 at 4:32 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 18, 2024 at 5:43 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 18, 2024 at 6:16 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 4:37 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 18, 2024 at 4:54 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 18, 2024 at 4:59 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ahriman - July 18, 2024 at 4:55 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by no one - July 18, 2024 at 6:07 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 18, 2024 at 7:03 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 18, 2024 at 7:05 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 7:18 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 18, 2024 at 7:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 19, 2024 at 4:51 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 19, 2024 at 12:14 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 18, 2024 at 7:23 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 7:54 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 7:59 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2024 at 8:16 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 18, 2024 at 8:26 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 18, 2024 at 8:31 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2024 at 10:23 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Pat Mustard - July 20, 2024 at 3:29 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 19, 2024 at 12:19 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by no one - July 18, 2024 at 8:19 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 19, 2024 at 6:06 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by brewer - July 19, 2024 at 7:23 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Angrboda - July 19, 2024 at 8:47 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 12:08 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 19, 2024 at 12:12 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - July 19, 2024 at 12:35 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Jackalope - July 19, 2024 at 1:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 19, 2024 at 1:25 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Jackalope - July 19, 2024 at 1:47 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 4:24 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 19, 2024 at 4:35 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 4:37 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 19, 2024 at 4:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 4:47 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 19, 2024 at 5:19 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - July 19, 2024 at 5:40 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 19, 2024 at 5:16 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 6:33 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 19, 2024 at 6:43 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 7:19 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 19, 2024 at 7:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 7:40 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 20, 2024 at 2:09 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 19, 2024 at 8:36 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 19, 2024 at 4:52 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 6:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 19, 2024 at 6:58 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Angrboda - July 20, 2024 at 12:12 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 20, 2024 at 12:28 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 19, 2024 at 7:45 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 7:56 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 19, 2024 at 7:59 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 8:17 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 19, 2024 at 8:26 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 20, 2024 at 2:16 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 8:49 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 19, 2024 at 8:53 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Lek - July 19, 2024 at 9:23 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - July 19, 2024 at 9:25 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 19, 2024 at 9:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 19, 2024 at 10:29 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 20, 2024 at 4:10 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 20, 2024 at 5:58 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by A. Secular Human - July 22, 2024 at 3:45 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Nay_Sayer - July 20, 2024 at 12:31 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - July 20, 2024 at 12:36 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ravenshire - July 25, 2024 at 8:29 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 25, 2024 at 8:51 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - July 25, 2024 at 10:43 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - July 25, 2024 at 11:00 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - July 25, 2024 at 11:04 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 25, 2024 at 11:42 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - July 26, 2024 at 9:05 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - July 25, 2024 at 11:38 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 25, 2024 at 11:47 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fake Messiah - July 26, 2024 at 12:12 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Valkyrie - July 26, 2024 at 11:21 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - July 27, 2024 at 12:03 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - July 31, 2024 at 2:55 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - July 31, 2024 at 11:06 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Thumpalumpacus - August 1, 2024 at 12:45 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - August 1, 2024 at 4:16 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Deesse23 - July 31, 2024 at 3:40 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - July 31, 2024 at 11:07 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Pat Mustard - July 31, 2024 at 4:48 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Sheldon - July 31, 2024 at 4:59 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Pat Mustard - August 1, 2024 at 2:51 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2024 at 3:23 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - August 1, 2024 at 9:20 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - August 1, 2024 at 12:43 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Fireball - August 1, 2024 at 1:26 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Mister Agenda - August 1, 2024 at 1:24 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - August 1, 2024 at 1:27 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - August 1, 2024 at 1:27 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Mister Agenda - August 1, 2024 at 1:29 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - August 1, 2024 at 1:36 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - August 1, 2024 at 1:34 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - August 1, 2024 at 1:40 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Disagreeable - August 1, 2024 at 1:42 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Ivan Denisovich - August 1, 2024 at 1:52 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2024 at 5:31 pm
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by Silver - August 3, 2024 at 9:55 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by arewethereyet - August 3, 2024 at 11:45 am
RE: Democrat Conspiracy - by h4ym4n - August 3, 2024 at 1:28 pm

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